Do any of you guys remember that when 2.0 was released, if you were on a 2.0 beta, or you spoofed your system version to say "2.0", you didn't have to pay for it because iTunes though u were already on 2.0? Well, im just predicting here, that if you're on a 3.0 beta when 3.0 is released, you may not have to pay for it.

*Note: please take this down if this is against the rules*

from what i know, i think it's free for devs anyway

Do any of you guys remember that when 2.0 was released, if you were on a 2.0 beta, or you spoofed your system version to say "2.0", you didn't have to pay for it because iTunes though u were already on 2.0? Well, im just predicting here, that if you're on a 3.0 beta when 3.0 is released, you may not have to pay for it.

*Note: please take this down if this is against the rules*

If you're on a 3.0 beta already, you automatically get it for free no matter what. But spoofing and scamming iTunes to give you a free copy is illegal.

Just like you can download it and illegally get it?

It's the same thing.

chance is that most of us will be using jailbroken ipsw files so yeah, they will just be lerking around on torrents.

Well, it's just 10 bucks! I don't care lol, also it is 3 months away, that's why I just bought all of my cracked apps :-) I was going to anyway, but I made it faster when I upgraded to 3.0!

I'll be happy to pay a measly $10 for a decent upgrade such as 3.0.

Exactly Sean The Pirate! I totally dont care for 10$.. unless I am saving up for my DSi :-P

Really? Beta ftw :p

I'll be happy to pay a measly $10 for a decent upgrade such as 3.0.

and you call yourself a pirate...:mad:

what i did for 2.0 was putting the iPod in DFU mode, then take it to an Apple Store, and said that my computer wont restore my iPod. do that for FW 3.0 when it comes out.

what i did for 2.0 was putting the iPod in DFU mode, then take it to an Apple Store, and said that my computer wont restore my iPod. do that for FW 3.0 when it comes out.

good idea :D:D

what i did for 2.0 was putting the iPod in DFU mode, then take it to an Apple Store, and said that my computer wont restore my iPod. do that for FW 3.0 when it comes out.

I hope you didn't drive lol, cause if you did then your probably would have saved money by buying it.

I hope you didn't drive lol, cause if you did then your probably would have saved money by buying it.

funniest thing i ever read on this site.

I hope you didn't drive lol, cause if you did then your probably would have saved money by buying it.

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guys... you make me sad... if from now to June you can't get $10, then how the hell do you have an ipod? seriously? just... wow...

funniest thing i ever read on this site.

*bows*

Yeah "spoof" itunes. systemversion.plist (whatever its called 0.o) FTW!

and you call yourself a pirate...:mad:

Pirate as in Pirate and Ninjas, not Pirate as in stealing software, music, etc.

Dude, it sux so bad that we have to pay for the upgrade, is'nt it enough that we had to pay for the device >< Apple is a stupid company, i love Microsoft :]

they both suck because windows is bullshit and aplle is expencive

they both suck because windows is bullshit and aplle is expencive



What are you three????? my sister can type better than you! and she is like 8!! Your spelling sucks...

also, if you own an iPod you dont have to be a cheap ass!

Wtf u guys saying? Nearmest (spell?) Torrenttracker FTW""!!

keep it on topic please...

There will always be ways to get around the price of the firmware, there was for 2.0, there will be for 3.0

There will always be ways to get around the price of the firmware, there was for 2.0, there will be for 3.0

But, that's illegal.

But, that's illegal.

That doesn't matter, this thread is about if it's possible or not, not it's legallity

But, that's illegal.

DO you two sit around holding hands and spamming every post you can find?

DO you two sit around holding hands and spamming every post you can find?

Sorry, but if he goes like that, he's just encouraging those who will pirate software.

Should have explained in my previous post.

Dude, it sux so bad that we have to pay for the upgrade, is'nt it enough that we had to pay for the device >< Apple is a stupid company, i love Microsoft :]

So it "sux" that when a new OS comes out, microsoft/apple make you pay for it? Its the exact same princible with the iPod touch.

Dude, it sux so bad that we have to pay for the upgrade, is'nt it enough that we had to pay for the device >< Apple is a stupid company, i love Microsoft :]

It's 2G users like u that make me sick... I've payed for $30 in updates so far plus the fact that i had to pay the same amount of money for an 8gb than u did for ur 16 gb and u complain just save $10 or get a $15 gift card

So it "sux" that when a new OS comes out, microsoft/apple make you pay for it? Its the exact same princible with the iPod touch.

It's not a whole new OS, just a update, that's why it's so freakin' stupid to charge people for a little update ><" All PSP updates are free, so Sony is a nice company. And i realy think that Windows 7 should be free for Vista users xD! :rolleyes:
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It's 2G users like u that make me sick... I've payed for $30 in updates so far plus the fact that i had to pay the same amount of money for an 8gb than u did for ur 16 gb and u complain just save $10 or get a $15 gift card

Im 15, i don't walk around with creditcards to buy shit online, and there is like 4 - 6 Apple Stores in the whole country, so im not gonna ask my parents to drive me to a store that's two hours away, just to get a giftcard.

and you call yourself a pirate...:mad:

haha. um i assume you would but get it for free yeah, but really, 10 bucks?? i just feel ripped off because the now the ipods have 2.0 on them out of the box and i had to pay, when i bought it the SAME day 2.0 came out.

Paying for updates is redarded apple always are trying to make quick cash , if i buy a peice of software i expect it to have free updates especially ones that are just fixing mistakes made by a company, (admittidly there are some new features tho). I bought the software with the ipod i expect free updates, simple, (I expect you can guess how Ive got the 3.0 firmware which ill use after the JB :P) you say $10 isnt much, but all these little program costs in life add up eg all the app store apps better to get them by other means...

haha. um i assume you would but get it for free yeah, but really, 10 bucks?? i just feel ripped off because the now the ipods have 2.0 on them out of the box and i had to pay, when i bought it the SAME day 2.0 came out.

well you do realize the ipod will not update itself in bestbuy right... the os just came out that day you cant expect it to update itself.
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Paying for updates is redarded apple always are trying to make quick cash , if i buy a peice of software i expect it to have free updates especially ones that are just fixing mistakes made by a company, (admittidly there are some new features tho). I bought the software with the ipod i expect free updates, simple, (I expect you can guess how Ive got the 3.0 firmware which ill use after the JB :P) you say $10 isnt much, but all these little program costs in life add up eg all the app store apps better to get them by other means...

i agree lolz:D

This thread and possibly even forum leads me to believe that a majority of users don't comprehend the basics of how a company functions.

It's not a whole new OS, just a update, that's why it's so freakin' stupid to charge people for a little update ><" All PSP updates are free, so Sony is a nice company. And i realy think that Windows 7 should be free for Vista users xD! :rolleyes: Apple products aren't cheap either, can you guess why? Apple knows people will buy their stuff even as expensive as the bloody bastards will make it

This thread and possibly even forum leads me to believe that a majority of users don't comprehend the basics of how a company functions. Apple doesn't have to charge us the same way they don't charge iPhone users because they're already bloodsucking the money from their phone service, they just want money from touch users who don't continously pay for their device, thats how it looks


Then again guys, its only $10, not too bad

Apple products aren't cheap either, can you guess why? Apple knows people will buy their stuff even as expensive as the bloody bastards will make it

Apple doesn't have to charge us the same way they don't charge iPhone users because they're already bloodsucking the money from their phone service, they just want money from touch users who don't continously pay for their device, thats how it looks


Then again guys, its only $10, not too bad
I agree :):)

What I was thinking is what if Apple does like they are doing with the current 3.0 beta? It works, sure, but to access things like Youtube videos, you have to have it registered as a developer or w/e.

Maybe when 3.0 comes out, we will have to have connected to an iTunes account that has bought the new firmware or else we will have the same restrictions as we do now with 3.0 beta right now?

just a thought.

I don't give a fu*k if it's only $9.99. I won't pay for a fu*king update simple as that. Updates should be free.

I don't give a fu*k if it's only $9.99. I won't pay for a fu*king update simple as that. Updates should be free.

well apple doesn't give a [expletive] about what you think, they decide on what they want to do, and if you paid less for an ipod touch, you should get lower priority on the free upgrade list.

it's only ten bucks. i get that much every week for allowance

lol there might be server problems again like with 2.0 and people will probably get it for free again

Your just aswell paying $10 for bluetooth ect. Dont scam them please

i remember that when 3.0 came out apple severs were crashing and you could download it using ur browser directly from apple completely for free

it was a good day for me lol


history may just repeat itself

but who knowns the future is anything but certain

This is still stealing, JUST BUY IT! if you had enough money to but the iPod in the first place then it shouldn't be that hard to buy the new firmware. imo

Sure its not a lot of money, but that isnt the point. We're having to pay for an update which should be free(is to iPhone users)and is providing features which should have been there from the start!. Offering this update for free isnt exactly going to ruin Apple, pay for the update if you want but after the amount of money spent on the appstore i wont be :) !

It's not like the iPhones are double the price or anything...

iPhones are more expensive for a reason (cause there phones) the iPod touch is an iPod i do not remember paying for updates for my iPod nano and yes its adding new features but its features for hardware you already paid for only now you have to pay to activate it

apples scamming us, i dont care what any of you think or say, i payed 400 bucks for my ipod the price for future updates is included in the 200% markup. i will never pay for an update as far as i know anything non-material will never get cash from me

It's not like Apple releases updates every week that they want people to pay for. They're constantly releasing bug fixes and such. It's only a major update such as 3.0 that they're asking a measly $10 for.

Honestly, the amount of complaining makes half the people here sound like whiny little 12 year olds.

measly to you but when 15 million people pay 10 dollars it makes it less measly and more outrageous
the ones who are complaining are those who want "us" to pay for something we dont have to.

its just another stack of money apple will scrape from the bottom of the barrel

Dude, it sux so bad that we have to pay for the upgrade, is'nt it enough that we had to pay for the device >< Apple is a stupid company, i love Microsoft :]

Go buy a zune then. :D haha

Ok I am not going to choose sides here.

BUT if I was with the people who think updates should be free and not be payed for, I would agree. It like this. You own a Mac/Windows computer. There is an update for the computers. They are free no matter what is in the updates right? So you get them free for what ever reason.

But if i was with the people think that we should pay, I would agree also.
If there is only major updates and something better to add for the iPod just buy it. It only 10 dollars and I am pretty sure you can sell your lunch and do other people homework for some money.

Thats my 2cents

Isn't this illegal?

IMHO, most people won't pay. Just like 2.0

update - improves stability and fixes bugs and anything that was originally intended in the software that should always be free

upgrade - software that adds entire new features that is optional to the user and should be priced AKA fimware 2.0 and 3.0

I'll pony up the money! :D
Man I bought all my apps legit, I'm not jailbroken, and I bought 2.0!

Haha. :p
How much will it be again, $10?

ALSO exit1010,

It's an UPGRADE. XD REFER TO THE POST ABOVE ME!

Ok I am not going to choose sides here.

BUT if I was with the people who think updates should be free and not be payed for, I would agree. It like this. You own a Mac/Windows computer. There is an update for the computers. They are free no matter what is in the updates right? So you get them free for what ever reason.

But if i was with the people think that we should pay, I would agree also.
If there is only major updates and something better to add for the iPod just buy it. It only 10 dollars and I am pretty sure you can sell your lunch and do other people homework for some money.

Thats my 2cents

an update for an os is free, a new os is not, 3.0 is a new os

when they release windows 7, do u assume it will be free? NO

an update for an os is free, a new os is not, 3.0 is a new os

when they release windows 7, do u assume it will be free? NO

Perfect example, although not entirely accurate. If you tested windows 7, you still have to pay when it comes out of beta lol.

i really don't mind paying for the update, it's less hassle and i get more features.

the one thing that pisses me off though, is that they're unlocking the bluetooth chip inside. i'm paying to use a piece of hardware that was purposley put in the thing in the first place. Wha? why didn't you just give us the features for free, if i go and order a meal from McDonalds, i do NOT want to pay to use the seats or for a straw to drink my drink. Same Principle.

i really don't mind paying for the update, it's less hassle and i get more features.

the one thing that pisses me off though, is that they're unlocking the bluetooth chip inside. i'm paying to use a piece of hardware that was purposley put in the thing in the first place. Wha? why didn't you just give us the features for free, if i go and order a meal from McDonalds, i do NOT want to pay to use the seats or for a straw to drink my drink. Same Principle.

But the Bluetooth isn't the only thing you're paying for...

i really don't mind paying for the update, it's less hassle and i get more features.

the one thing that pisses me off though, is that they're unlocking the bluetooth chip inside. i'm paying to use a piece of hardware that was purposley put in the thing in the first place. Wha? why didn't you just give us the features for free, if i go and order a meal from McDonalds, i do NOT want to pay to use the seats or for a straw to drink my drink. Same Principle.

Yeah and what about the iMacs? It has 802.11b/g/n but you can use only b/g if you want to use 802.11n you need to pay to Apple.
That's Apple, face it.

Perfect example, although not entirely accurate. If you tested windows 7, you still have to pay when it comes out of beta lol.

tru but windows 7 is a desktop os that u will work on for a good long time, and that is the basis for all ur computing needs

iphone os is a mobile os that is updated every several months to an entirely new version, and thus 3.0 is going to be paid for some users because apple needs to make money off it somehow

also, guys, on the opposing side, does it really matter to u what others think?

i know for a fact that there are non torrent websites that will have 3.0 free for all devices it supports the day it comes out, because apple doesnt protect its firmware files very well

I'll be happy to pay a measly $10 for a decent upgrade such as 3.0.

Lol free is better

Not if it means being dishonest, or trying to "cheat the system".

It is getting kind of ridiculous- ESPECIALLY if youve been there from the beginnning.

I got my 1G in October, 2007.

Shortly after I paid $20 (!!!!!!!) to get Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Weather and Stocks. TWENTY DOLLARS.

THEN, I was supposed to pay another $10 to get 2.0.
The only real advantage was the ability to BUY more apps. And this included those first 5 for someone who didnt have them.

I bought my 5 apps for double what it would cost someone who bought an ipod later than I.

Apple wanted me to spend $30.
If I bought it in June I would have spent $10.

I didnt pay for 2.0.

If I get it for free since I'm on 3.0 beta, I guess I'll be downgrading first. I'm going to pay. Period. I can't stand stupid little kids who are so ****ing cheap to pay $10 for a great update, and use "free" apps for every single app. It is so stupid. 3.0 needs a UDID specific DRM, so that you can only install that firmware on devices that you register with Apple to allow it to be. 5 max. It is dumb to steal a GREAT firmware update.

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Why should I have to pay a subscription to use an ipod?!? And thats basically what it is. A new $20 or $10 product every 6 months. This isnt an iPHONE....



An ipod should be a 1 time purchase. 1 time.

Why should I have to pay a subscription to use an ipod?!? And thats basically what it is. A new $20 or $10 product every 6 months. This isnt an iPHONE....



An ipod should be a 1 time purchase. 1 time.

It is. You have a perfectly working firmware on your device. It works, it does as advertised. You don't have to pay for 3.0. You can stay on 2.x.x indefinately. Nobody is making you use 3.0. It is a 1 time purchase, unless you choose to make it otherwise. I'm sure that some of you people complaining paid $10 for Rolando, BIA, HoS, or some other game. WTF is the problem. I am going to MAKE it LET me pay.

But, that's illegal.

So is jailbreaking, according to Apple.

noo if you stop itunes from connecting to the sever using 3.0 then when you try to communicate in anyway to the apple sever, through ipod menu it doesn't let u through and you don't get anything for free

If you don't want to pay for the update then don't get it. If the features it offers are worth having they're worth paying for.

I still don't see why everyone's so against paying the cost of a lunch in order to add a whole bunch more functionality to their device.

Let me ask you guys that think this update should be free a simple question.

When you bought your ipod, did you buy it knowing it didn't have bluetooth?

YES, you did. You got what you paid for. Simple as that.

You made the choice to pay 400 dollars for an ipod without bluetooth. They didn't promise you a free update for bluetooth.

Suck it up, morons.

Let me ask you guys that think this update should be free a simple question.

When you bought your ipod, did you buy it knowing it didn't have bluetooth?

YES, you did. You got what you paid for. Simple as that.

You made the choice to pay 400 dollars for an ipod without bluetooth. They didn't promise you a free update for bluetooth.

Suck it up, morons.

Exactly!

Just be thankful that you dont have to buy a new itouch/iphone every time something like 2.0 and 3.0 comes out.....

i Pay $0. Nomatterwhat. Special iPhone Developer Thing. ;)

Let me ask you guys that think this update should be free a simple question.

When you bought your ipod, did you buy it knowing it didn't have bluetooth?

YES, you did. You got what you paid for. Simple as that.

You made the choice to pay 400 dollars for an ipod without bluetooth. They didn't promise you a free update for bluetooth.

Suck it up, morons.

Exactly. Apple never promised that all the updates would be free.

It's 2G users like u that make me sick... I've payed for $30 in updates so far plus the fact that i had to pay the same amount of money for an 8gb than u did for ur 16 gb and u complain just save $10 or get a $15 gift card

Well said. Very well said. Got my 1g ipod touch december 07. paid 300 plus tax for it. then 20 for january upgrade. 10 mor for 2.0. Sold it to a sucker for 200 and took that and some extra money and bought a 2g.

But back on topic here.. Theoretically it is possible. Like using FWchanger to spoof your firmware to 3.0 then restoring. But might not. I tired spoofing mine to 3.0 and itunes never checked to see if i was a dev so even tho it says i am it knows im not.

Changing your FW version makes iTunes think you're a Dev? Thats really interesting... :p

Changing your FW version makes iTunes think you're a Dev? Thats really interesting... :p

no, he said it never checked, which probably means it knows he's not.

Ah, I get it now. I need to read a little more carefully :cool:

it annoys me that this thread has gone on so long, will a mod please close so people can stop dicussing how they think apple are stealing their cash with updates? (btw, i assume most of u r kids, so ur parents give u most of that cash)

u pay 10$ for lunch or more every day, why not pay the same 1 time per YEAR for tons of extra functionality? u paid for the freaking thing, expect to pay for updates, or stay on 2.2.1 forever, your choice

it annoys me that this thread has gone on so long, will a mod please close so people can stop dicussing how they think apple are stealing their cash with updates? (btw, i assume most of u r kids, so ur parents give u most of that cash)

u pay 10$ for lunch or more every day, why not pay the same 1 time per YEAR for tons of extra functionality? u paid for the freaking thing, expect to pay for updates, or stay on 2.2.1 forever, your choice

Most likely 2.2.2. Apple will probably release a little bug fix between now and then to have a great number like that. lol. I know. Just like "free" paid apps. You paid somewhere between $199-$700 for this thing, and you won't buy a $1-$10 app, that you want. WTF?

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.
Why should we ever have to pay for a firmware update for a music player? There is no other company in the world that would do such a thing.

I know, I know "ADDZ FUNCTIONZ!" or "U STILL HAV WAT U PAID FOR!"
The real thing here is that people who wait to buy their iPods get the update essentially free, which is crap. Also, it's a firmware update. Why should anyone ever have to pay for a firmware update?

Apple is just like every other company (if not worse) when it comes to trying to swindle as much money as possible.

EDIT: What do you even get that's 'so worth it?' The only thing I see that's exciting is the ability to play wirelessly with others in an ad-hoc wireless network fashion. Copy/paste and search should have been included since 1.0. Bluetooth isn't useful for me, and I wouldn't even want BT headphones if they were affordable in the first place. They're just unnecessary.

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.
Why should we ever have to pay for a firmware update for a music player? There is no other company in the world that would do such a thing.

I know, I know "ADDZ FUNCTIONZ!" or "U STILL HAV WAT U PAID FOR!"
The real thing here is that people who wait to buy their iPods get the update essentially free, which is crap. Also, it's a firmware update. Why should anyone ever have to pay for a firmware update?

Apple is just like every other company (if not worse) when it comes to trying to swindle as much money as possible.

Because, while most people aren't really "early" adopters, we got the device first. Plus any buyers after June are about to get screwed anyway. So, what is your point. We get what we paid for. They get what they waited for.

Because, while most people aren't really "early" adopters, we got the device first. Plus any buyers after June are about to get screwed anyway. So, what is your point. We get what we paid for. They get what they waited for.

My point is that firmware updates should never cost money.
Microsoft doesn't even resort to crap like that. Also, I fail to understand why Apple users lay down and take it like it's acceptable. If Microsoft tried to charge for firmware updates on anything, users of every device would be rioting in rage.
I don't care if it's adding functionality. If my player has the capability for copy and paste or bluetooth headphones, I should not have to pay later to have it activated.

My point is that firmware updates should never cost money.
Microsoft doesn't even resort to crap like that. Also, I fail to understand why Apple users lay down and take it like it's acceptable. If Microsoft tried to charge for firmware updates on anything, users of every device would be rioting in rage.
I don't care if it's adding functionality. If my player has the capability for copy and paste or bluetooth headphones, I should not have to pay later to have it activated.

XP costs money for 2000 owners. Vista costs money for XP owners. Win 7 will cost money for Vista owners. Same difference.

XP costs money for 2000 owners. Vista costs money for XP owners. Win 7 will cost money for Vista owners. Same difference.

No. Not at all.
That's like saying that it costs money to upgrade from a 1G to a 2G.
Windows service packs are free.

No. Not at all.
That's like saying that it costs money to upgrade from a 1G to a 2G.
Windows service packs are free.

No. Service packs are like the X in 2.X.x. You don't pay for that. You do pay for major revisions such as 2.x.x to 3.x.x. Same with the NT base of windows. XP was 5, Vista is 6, 7 is 6.1 (how ironic). That is a major change, just like 2.x.x to 3.x.x. And it's a one time thing. Once per year, you have to pay 10 to get a completely new iPod. Live with it, embrace it, protest it, steal it, don't buy it, stay on 2.x.x, support it, love it. I don't care. It is a complete change, and you are the only one who seems to be actively protesting.

EDIT: Service packs are nothing but bug fixes and UTH changes. I'm not seeing the comparison, as Apple gives free bug fixes.

No. Service packs are like the X in 2.X.x. You don't pay for that. You do pay for major revisions such as 2.x.x to 3.x.x. Same with the NT base of windows. XP was 5, Vista is 6, 7 is 6.1 (how ironic). That is a major change, just like 2.x.x to 3.x.x. And it's a one time thing. Once per year, you have to pay 10 to get a completely new iPod. Live with it, embrace it, protest it, steal it, don't buy it, stay on 2.x.x, support it, love it. I don't care. It is a complete change, and you are the only one who seems to be actively protesting.

EDIT: Service packs are nothing but bug fixes and UTH changes. I'm not seeing the comparison, as Apple gives free bug fixes.

The paid firmware updates are still not justified. My device was given to me with the capability to use bluetooth headphones and utilize ad-hoc networks to interact with other devices. There's no reason at all I should have to pay to have these capabilities enabled if they're already there.

The paid firmware updates are still not justified. My device was given to me with the capability to use bluetooth headphones and utilize ad-hoc networks to interact with other devices. There's no reason at all I should have to pay to have these capabilities enabled if they're already there.

Did you purchase it with the knowledge that there was even a possibility that you could do these things? Apple isn't obligated to do any of these things.

Did you purchase it with the knowledge that there was even a possibility that you could do these things? Apple isn't obligated to do any of these things.

No, but that doesn't change the fact that my device shipped with the capability to do these things. Apple, as a greedy corporation, is just finding a stupid excuse to charge people.

We're arguing semantics. This is my last post in this thread. You can get the last word in, I don't care, I'm not going to waste time arguing in this thread anymore.

Dude, it sux so bad that we have to pay for the upgrade, is'nt it enough that we had to pay for the device >< Apple is a stupid company, i love Microsoft :]

Go and buy a device running Windows Mobile 6 and see if Microsoft will give you the upgrade for free to Windows Mobile 7
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This thread and possibly even forum leads me to believe that a majority of users don't comprehend the basics of how a company functions.

Or the English language for that matter.

Go and buy a device running Windows Mobile 6 and see if Microsoft will give you the upgrade for free to Windows Mobile 7
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Or the English language for that matter.

I agree. It is so dumb.

Apple products aren't cheap either, can you guess why? Apple knows people will buy their stuff even as expensive as the bloody bastards will make it

Apple make quality products, that's why. I agree their systems are over priced, but they literally do just work, no drivers to mess around with, when installing the OS, if you have an internet connection present, the system will automatically detect your timezone and location.

The operating system doesn't defragment, there's no registry to go astray and the hardware's unified so there's rarely any problems with dodgy hardware or outdated drivers.
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I've read through nearly this entire thread. The amount of idiots in this thread who are going to get a rude shock when they enter the real world is alarming.

Theses are my thoughts:

- Windows Updates might be free, but Windows OS upgrades aren't, buy an older Windows Mobile device and see if they'll update you to the latest version for free. Symbian don't offer updates at all, the licensing is just too expensive (Note that a firmware update on your Symbian based mobile isn't the same as a Symbian update, it still runs the same version of the OS)

The current latest version of Windows is 6 (Vista is version 6, XP was version 5, Windows 7 will be version 7). No one's going to get a free update to Windows 7. Likewise, the current version of Windows Mobile is 6.1, very few Windows Mobile device owners will get an update to Windows Mobile 7 (depending on handset manufacturer). There have been plenty of incremental updates for the iPod touch, why would you expect the major ones to be free (Microsoft charge alot more than $10 for an update as well)

To anyone who says they don't think they should pay to have the feature unlocked. You bought the device knowing that it didn't currently have that capability, and no one promised you it was coming in the future.

And to anyone who says it's the principle of it: Go and get a reality check, once you enter the real world that's the least

And finally, no one's forcing you to update, no one is stopping you from sticking with 2.2

Apple make quality products, that's why. I agree their systems are over priced, but they literally do just work, no drivers to mess around with, when installing the OS, if you have an internet connection present, the system will automatically detect your timezone and location.

If 'making all the work for you with a pre-installed OS' is your euphemistic way of saying that Apple restricts the freedom of the user to install an OS of their choice than I would agree with you.

The operating system doesn't defragment

The filesystem does not fragment that easily compared to NTFS or FAT32 simply due to the fact that NTFS or FAT32 are crappy filesystems. Compared to the Linux EXT3 filesystem the iPod filesystem blows many times.

the hardware's unified so there's rarely any problems with dodgy hardware or outdated drivers.

That is not a achievement of Apple but simply a consequence of the static hardware platform which cannot be modified or extended. The same thing was true about the C64.

And finally, no one's forcing you to update, no one is stopping you from sticking with 2.2

Part of the reason I went from 1.1.4 to 2.1 was the end of app support from almost every developer (what eventually pushed me to it was a music DB error that needed to be fixed with a restore.)

Part of the reason I went from 2.1 to 2.2.1 was that nearly every new app in the App Store was not working with my OS.

If you're a frequent user of apps, you essentially have no choice but to keep up with the updates.

I don't pay for anything. Its easier that way.

I don't pay for anything. Its easier that way.

Then your basically ruining any software/hardware for yourself.... Do you even understand that the money you pay for software and hardware goes into the pockets of the developers (as well as the company itself, which means they are more likely to want to develop more products), which in turn makes them produce better products for EVERYONE.

God some people cant see past 10 bucks..... People like that are whats wrong with the world.....

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If people dont want to pay for updates and if they think Apple are so bad, why are you buying their products? I mean i see people complaining that they paid for 1.1.4, 2.0 and now 3.0. Well obviously you could see what was happening, why did you keep buying 2g itouchs, and 3g iphones? If you dont like apple, go buy a blackberry, nokia or a windows mobile? if You dont like itouches go buy a zune..... Its not hard.... But i guess knowing the type of people you are, you will complain and cry about everything....

Btw, this rant was directed at people who have a problem with paying for updates like 2.0, 3.0, xp, vista. Its all the same thing....

I don't pay for anything. Its easier that way.

Then your basically ruining any software/hardware for yourself.... Do you even understand that the money you pay for software and hardware goes into the pockets of the developers (as well as the company itself, which means they are more likely to want to develop more products), which in turn makes them produce better products for EVERYONE.

God some people cant see past 10 bucks..... People like that are whats wrong with the world.....

I know. This is why socialism is such a good idea sometimes. And why I wish that jailbreak never existed. We wouldn't have to deal with cracked apps, and people would actually have to pay to have a product. IT IS $10 PEOPLE. YOU PAID $200+ FOR THE DEVICE. YOU CAN PAY $10 TO DOUBLE IT'S FUNCTIONALITY!!!!!!!!

Apple make quality products, that's why. I agree their systems are over priced, but they literally do just work, no drivers to mess around with, when installing the OS, if you have an internet connection present, the system will automatically detect your timezone and location.

The operating system doesn't defragment, there's no registry to go astray and the hardware's unified so there's rarely any problems with dodgy hardware or outdated drivers.
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I've read through nearly this entire thread. The amount of idiots in this thread who are going to get a rude shock when they enter the real world is alarming.

Theses are my thoughts:

- Windows Updates might be free, but Windows OS upgrades aren't, buy an older Windows Mobile device and see if they'll update you to the latest version for free. Symbian don't offer updates at all, the licensing is just too expensive (Note that a firmware update on your Symbian based mobile isn't the same as a Symbian update, it still runs the same version of the OS)

The current latest version of Windows is 6 (Vista is version 6, XP was version 5, Windows 7 will be version 7). No one's going to get a free update to Windows 7. Likewise, the current version of Windows Mobile is 6.1, very few Windows Mobile device owners will get an update to Windows Mobile 7 (depending on handset manufacturer). There have been plenty of incremental updates for the iPod touch, why would you expect the major ones to be free (Microsoft charge alot more than $10 for an update as well)

To anyone who says they don't think they should pay to have the feature unlocked. You bought the device knowing that it didn't currently have that capability, and no one promised you it was coming in the future.

And to anyone who says it's the principle of it: Go and get a reality check, once you enter the real world that's the least

And finally, no one's forcing you to update, no one is stopping you from sticking with 2.2


Windows 7 is NT 6.1.

Windows 7 is NT 6.1.

That's what I said.

^^ My mistake..

The point is it's not free and if you're complaining about a tenner, you've got too much time on your hands

hey guys i have found a site that has all the firmwares that are on apple's server ( cuz it is connected to apple's server) so any new firmwares get posted on that server and this site will get them so you can get them for free!!


here is the link ( it has every iPod firmware) iPod mini etc.. it updates when new firmwares are added ( example OS 3.0 for all models!!!!) it redirects to apple's firmware server!!

guranteed it will get u 3.0 when it is released 4 free!

here is the link :

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it features all iPod and iPhone firmwares on the same link.


:) cheers have fun with 3.0 when it is released!!!



YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A DEVELOPER!!! TO ACCESS THIS SITE OR INSTALL THE FIRMWARES!!

hey guys i have found a site that has all the firmwares that are on apple's server ( cuz it is connected to apple's server) so any new firmwares get posted on that server and this site will get them so you can get them for free!!


here is the link ( it has every iPod firmware) iPod mini etc.. it updates when new firmwares are added ( example OS 3.0 for all models!!!!) it redirects to apple's firmware server!!

guranteed it will get u 3.0 when it is released 4 free!

here is the link :

<REDACTED>



it features all iPod and iPhone firmwares on the same link.


:) cheers have fun with 3.0 when it is released!!!



YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A DEVELOPER!!! TO ACCESS THIS SITE OR INSTALL THE FIRMWARES!!

inb4ban

i really don't understand???

how can it have paid firmwares is that like 2.1.1 or the one that the 2nd gen had when it first came out??


or i don't really know all i know is that i have gotten all the 2g firmwares from that site!


well

email me on jaye_boden_95@hotmail.com



and also keeping On OLD FIRMWARES (2.2 AND NEWEST ) when 3.0 is released apple will not support older firmwares only 3.0 i know sounds stupid.

i really don't understand???

how can it have paid firmwares is that like 2.1.1 or the one that the 2nd gen had when it first came out??


or i don't really know all i know is that i have gotten all the 2g firmwares from that site!


well

email me on jaye_boden_95@hotmail.com



and also keeping On OLD FIRMWARES (2.2 AND NEWEST ) when 3.0 is released apple will not support older firmwares only 3.0 i know sounds stupid.

Well, why the hell would they support the old firmwares? They have the new one out, that's obviously the one they're going to support, until a newer one comes out.

I will pay for it, even if devs get it for free...
10$ is not much, and I think that apple deserves that, as the beta is really nice already :)

ps.
darn this was a lot to read, trawled through all 11 pages xD
one thing that struck me was the repeating ignorance and BW's constant posts trying to explain the deal with firmware updates in major and minor revisions :)

Why is this thread still open?

Agreed. This has gone beyond a joke.

Just to set the record straight:

Paid firmware upgrades:

iPod touch moving from 1.* firmware to 2.* firmware, $10;
iPod touch moving from 2.* firmware to 3.* firmware, $10.


Like it or lump it.

Thread closed.