Well, what do you reckon?

I think we need a new theming Utility for 3.0, as 1.0.x had SummerBoard, then 2.0 had WinterBoard. I think that 3.0 should have a rejuvenation of SummerBoard, the same UI (Maybe) that has the same hook as WinterBoard. Bring back the old SMBPrefs Icon, or even name it "Themes", still keeping the name "SummerBoard" in the /Applications root folder.

In case that is a little weird, simply let me explain like this. Picture Info.plist in Xcode:

EXECUTABLE_NAME: SummerBoard

BUNDLE_DISPLAY_NAME: Themes

DISPLAY_NAME: Themes

So, when the App is installed, the name of the App will be SummerBoard, but it could be displayed as "Themes" eliminating the need to say "WinterBoard or SummerBoard" everytime we want to theme.

Hmmm, I wonder who could do this.......

i always did like summerboard....

I think Winterboard has a very basic UI, something that just looks "Out of Place" in 2.0 and even more so in 3.0.

SummerBoard's UI in 1.1.x had the feel of a more-complete app....

i think thats a good idea...http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/imgcache2/40438.png

I reckon that Winterboard is better and since no one has the source code for SummerBoard, Winterboard will stay.

no what we need is a new first half of a name.

1.x had summerboard
2.x has winterboard
3.x needs autmnboard!

Keep in tradition i recon.
If he makes it winterboard on 3.0 ill............Violin playi.......ki....ck....son of.................

I have the source code. =|.

I vote for Autumnboard. Sounds way better than Fallboard.

You know someone would post this:
http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55
Also, what's the point in putting [3.0] in the title if your posting in the 3.0 sub-forum?
Keep WinterBoard, it has everything covered to do with theming. The developer chooses the name of HIS application. It's not yours.

I never did get to use summerboard...but from pictures, i can say i really do love the UI better than winterboard!

I have the source code. =|.

That's fantastic.

I never did get to use summerboard...but from pictures, i can say i really do love the UI better than winterboard!


Yes, summerboard was much better than winterboard. I miss those days. But yea it's weird that winterboard is open source and still does not have a UI, then again look at Cydia.

Yea I wish some how someone got the source code for summerboard and would port it.

I'm really amazed that you people think the UI for changing themes makes one system better than the other.

Winterboard is by far the most powerful theaming app ever (i was JBing back in 1.1.x days with a 1G touch), all it lacks is summerboards UI.

EDIT:
All it needs is to be broken into sections, like a section for entire themes, like it already has. Then subsections, like "Docks, "Carrier Images", "Icons", where each theme has had its parts put into their respective areas, that way you can mix and match themes without having to use SSH or Finder.

I'm really amazed that you people think the UI for changing themes makes one system better than the other.

Its called ergonomics..... Its extremely important.....

You know someone would post this:
http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55
Also, what's the point in putting [3.0] in the title if your posting in the 3.0 sub-forum?
Keep WinterBoard, it has everything covered to do with theming. The developer chooses the name of HIS application. It's not yours.

The reason why I posted it here, is because WinterBoard is a Jailbroken Application (hence the "iPod Touch Firmware 3.0 Jailbreak" thread) and my Idea is for 3.0 when it is released. And WinterBoard is Saurik's. I'm not saying he needs to do it, maybe a name change and an improved UI, but he doesn't necessarily need to port SummerBoard. Somebody else could do it if they had the source code. Maybe me for example. I could team up with someone who wants to do it too.

Thanks.

Winterboard is like 100000x times more powerful than Summerboard. and who really cares about a UI to an app your probably dont even open that much

i wouldn't go as far as to say that we need to bring back SummerBoard, but i do see where you're coming from with an updated UI and all.
something just to keep things a little more organised, yeah, i'm for it.

should add a poll.
Does WinterBoard need an updated UI?

SummerBoard is gone. WinterBoard is here and must stay.

i love this idea, summerboard was so much better than winterboard in my opinion.

Ok i think i should edit this for the people who have read stephens sig, ive been on 1.1.4 for AGES now, only went to 2.2 a few months ago and it was a really weird switch from summerboard to winterboard. I did like the way summerboard was set up whereas i dont like the weird all in one screen and you click the ones you want. ok i do realise that in general winterboard is much better and all that, im just not used to it.

Yeah even I like summerboard. But I think the UI change will mostly not be coming for winterboard. Saurik has already mentioned in twitter that he gives importance to usability and stability than UI. So I don't see it coming from his side

Yeah even I like summerboard. But I think the UI change will mostly not be coming for winterboard. Saurik has already mentioned in twitter that he gives importance to usability and stability than UI. So I don't see it coming from his side

winterboard is open source so someone else could do it....

Its called ergonomics..... Its extremely important.....
I open Winterboard once to set it to "User Background" and never open it again.

Even if you used it more, what do you need that Winterboard doesn't already have? You open it, click the theme or add-on that you want, and then your respring. It isn't exactly the most complicated process in the world that should require some consulting of Apple's HIG to figure out.

Would me going and adding a title bar make it better? lol

Winterboard can do so much more than Summerboard was ever capable of. I agree with Cyanide, the UI in an application has nothing to do with how it works. Even if someone did create a UI for Winterboard, I doubt I'd use it. I value stability over looks, just like Saurik. Which is one of the reasons I won't use Icy either. ;)

And I think that half of the people in this thread missed what OP was trying to say.
I agree, I guess it would be nice, but if Winterboard is really the application running, it shouldn't be called Summerboard. It should be called Winterboard.

i love this idea, summerboard was so much better than winterboard in my opinion.

Fail.

Umm... Wasn't WinterBoard for 3.0 already released by saurik? It just needs some extra kernel patches that the Russian Devs haven't bothered to make. When iPhone-Dev releases the official JB, it will have these patches necessary. Take a look.
http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188283

Yeah even I like summerboard. But I think the UI change will mostly not be coming for winterboard. Saurik has already mentioned in twitter that he gives importance to usability and stability than UI. So I don't see it coming from his side

winterboard is open source so someone else could do it....

Winterboard can do so much more than Summerboard was ever capable of. I agree with Cyanide, the UI in an application has nothing to do with how it works. Even if someone did create a UI for Winterboard, I doubt I'd use it. I value stability over looks, just like Saurik. Which is one of the reasons I won't use Icy either. ;)

And I think that half of the people in this thread missed what OP was trying to say.
I agree, I guess it would be nice, but if Winterboard is really the application running, it shouldn't be called Summerboard. It should be called Winterboard.

Fail.

I wasn't trying to say that SummerBoard should be ported to 3.0 (well, not exactly), but the UI could be ported to WinterBoard while still keeping the WinterBoard Engine. The app name when its displayed on SpringBoard should be "Themes" as by default it is the longest name out there. (As far as I know.

Wow, I completely disagree with that fact that Saurik values Stability over Usability with UI and Code. Look at that convoluted 1.4 minute start up time for Cydia and all those "Reloading Data" bezels that popup and annoy you, oh yeah and all the Web-Based app pages. Icy is one HELL of a lot better imho.

And I can't make a UI for WinterBoard, since it requires the Toolchain to be installed on the host Computer and I have no idea how to set it up and I have been trying for 2 years. I also don't know how to hook it all up.

And my whole idea of this app was to rename WinterBoard to something like AutumnBoard or even SeasonBoard or just Themes because we had some other theming app for 2.0, now we need a new one for the 3.0 saga, not necessarily a complete new one, but a rename for WinterBoard and a nice new UI that makes the app fit in more would be very nice.

Sorry for all the confusing paragrahs there. I Multi-Quoted, so please decipher who I replied to in which paragraph :D even as I am sitting here, I have no idea :D

Thanks.

no what we need is a new first half of a name.

1.x had summerboard
2.x has winterboard
3.x needs autmnboard!absotively posulutely!

I think Winterboard has a very basic UI, something that just looks "Out of Place" in 2.0 and even more so in 3.0.

SummerBoard's UI in 1.1.x had the feel of a more-complete app....

I've always thought that too, but it gets the job done.

I wasn't trying to say that SummerBoard should be ported to 3.0 (well, not exactly), but the UI could be ported to WinterBoard while still keeping the WinterBoard Engine. The app name when its displayed on SpringBoard should be "Themes" as by default it is the longest name out there. (As far as I know.

Wow, I completely disagree with that fact that Saurik values Stability over Usability with UI and Code. Look at that convoluted 1.4 minute start up time for Cydia and all those "Reloading Data" bezels that popup and annoy you, oh yeah and all the Web-Based app pages. Icy is one HELL of a lot better imho.

And my whole idea of this app was to rename WinterBoard to something like AutumnBoard or even SeasonBoard or just Themes because we had some other theming app for 2.0, now we need a new one for the 3.0 saga, not necessarily a complete new one, but a rename for WinterBoard and a nice new UI that makes the app fit in more would be very nice.

1. Why change the app name?
2. Cydia starts up in 33 seconds for me, twelve of which are spent on "Reloading Data..." Maybe you should clean out all the garbage sources you have in there.
3. The reason the app pages are web-based is because it allows Saurik to more effectively manage the formatting (HTML/CSS) and keep it updated regularly without updating the actual app. It also makes it much easier on packagers who have to create hundreds of app pages every week.
4. Icy is garbage. It has a mediocre UI, and siphons off of Cydia's servers because it doesn't even have the correct (APT) backend.
5. Icy doesn't show ads, which means that packagers and developers lose a lot of money when people use it.
6. Cydia is an extremely advanced and complex application that needs a lot of time to load because it has a lot of information to load and index into UI elements.
7. Why do we need a new theming app for the 3.0 "saga"? The only reason it was renamed and rewritten for 2.0 was because a lot had changed between 1.x and 2.x.
8. The Summerboard UI was awful as well. It offered very few options. Winterboard's UI allows you to stack elements hierarchically to enable and disable individual pieces.
9. You can (and should only, really) edit themes on your computer, and upload them as necessary.
10. Winterboard is not going to change its UI, at least until the 22mb memory leak can be found and fixed (as that's the top priority right now).

+1 for autumnboard

as said, winterboard shouldn't be changed, i just think a better organisation method would be good for that application, updating the UI might help, regardless of adding another half a second to the app loading, nothing complex, just simple, organised, easy to use theming app.

Summerboard, by the looks of it, was much better, autumnboard or whatever theme changer for 3.0 needs to have a switch instead of a tick because it looks cooler.

i agree completely with the OP, since apple is naming SMS messages, we may as well stick with their theme and name this app "Themes"

also, the smbprefs icon far surpasses the winterboard one, and its UI was way better

I loved Customize for 1.x.x or maybe it was 2.0.0 ... ah fack I can't remember... but I remember how amazing it was.

Basically an Installer dedicated to themes. I loved how you could scroll through theme categories easily, download them, and put them into use within moments. And I also loved how next to the item was a small thumbnail preview of what the object looked like (battery, status, ect.)

We need more productivity!

if a new UI is brought in I would love to see a system strings editor brought in instead of having to extract the file and edit it manulally :p yes I'm lazy and what? lol

horay for failboard

I am for a new one, autumnboard :)

autumnboard rocks!

i think the sould update the design from winterboard, it looks horrible but works great!:D

I like the idea of it just displaying it as "Themes" on the springboard.

Summerboard, by the looks of it, was much better, autumnboard or whatever theme changer for 3.0 needs to have a switch instead of a tick because it looks cooler.
You clearly know nothing, and i doubt you have ever even experienced Summerboard, Winterboard is so much better, just because it's not as organized doesn't mean it's a worse application, Winterboard could just be improved by adding some method of orginization.

I like the idea of it just displaying it as "Themes" on the springboard.
You can edit the Info.plist and change the display name to 'Themes' instead of 'Winterboard' if it's so important to you.

How bout Springboard? Lol.

Springboard is the name for the general ipod/iphone home interface.

yeah i agree that winterboard is better than summerboard, however it does need some sort of method of organisation.

4. Icy is garbage. It has a mediocre UI, and siphons off of Cydia's servers because it doesn't even have the correct (APT) backend.
5. Icy doesn't show ads, which means that packagers and developers lose a lot of money when people use it.

Correction(s). Icy doesn't use APT, but that's because it uses libcurl instead. So it does not siphon off Cydia's servers. And Icy DOES show ads, just you have to click the blue arrow on the description to show them.

Correction(s). Icy doesn't use APT, but that's because it uses libcurl instead. So it does not siphon off Cydia's servers. And Icy DOES show ads, just you have to click the blue arrow on the description to show them.

Using libcurl isn't a substitute for using Apt. Apt provides the facility to install things programmatically and to not have to download the entire repo Package file, just the changes.

Using libcurl isn't a substitute for using Apt. Apt provides the facility to install things programmatically and to not have to download the entire repo Package file, just the changes.

Not to continue this off-topic-ness, but what do you think Apt does when updating? Magically guess the packages on the server? Icy just parses the local Package stores, downloads the .deb, and installs the package using dpkg. Essentially the EXACT same thing as Apt, without Apt.

Correction(s). Icy doesn't use APT, but that's because it uses libcurl instead. So it does not siphon off Cydia's servers. And Icy DOES show ads, just you have to click the blue arrow on the description to show them.

So what makes you think that anyone would EVER click the blue arrow? Seriously, it's downloading from the Cydia repo servers without even giving them any profit (which is almost entirely through ads). Tell me that's not siphoning.

I say leave it as it is, it does the job perfectly, and does it better than summerboard did, at the end of the day who honestly cares about UI? Its what the app does that matters, not if it looks pretty or not.

autumnboard rocks!

i think the sould update the design from winterboard, it looks horrible but works great!:D

How does it look horrible?

Not to continue this off-topic-ness, but what do you think Apt does when updating? Magically guess the packages on the server? Icy just parses the local Package stores, downloads the .deb, and installs the package using dpkg. Essentially the EXACT same thing as Apt, without Apt.
Uh... no it isn't.


The point is that using libapt-pkg API lets you download only the parts of the repo that have changed.

Icy has to fetch the entire repo every. single. time.


And using dpkg is slower. If they used libapt-pkg, they could install things programmatically instead of spawning a shell, running dpkg with the right arguments, etc.

Stop defending Icy. It is crap with a fancy GUI slapped on top.

WinterBoard is fine...

not bothered really

Uh... no it isn't.


The point is that using libapt-pkg API lets you download only the parts of the repo that have changed.

Icy has to fetch the entire repo every. single. time.


And using dpkg is slower. If they used libapt-pkg, they could install things programmatically instead of spawning a shell, running dpkg with the right arguments, etc.

Stop defending Icy. It is crap with a fancy GUI slapped on top.

I'm not defending anyone. Don't jump down my throat.

How could "libapt-pkg" possibly do that without reading or retreiving the Packages file? You act like Icy's downloading the entire set of Packages before installing. It's not. It's just downloading the Packages list from the repo, which is exactly what APT does.

How the hell do you say dpkg is slower? THE PACKAGING SYSTEM IS DPKG. Bottom line is, Icy is faster than Cydia, despite my preferring the latter. Stop trying to make up reasons to yell at other people.

Uh... no it isn't.


The point is that using libapt-pkg API lets you download only the parts of the repo that have changed.

Icy has to fetch the entire repo every. single. time.


And using dpkg is slower. If they used libapt-pkg, they could install things programmatically instead of spawning a shell, running dpkg with the right arguments, etc.

Stop defending Icy. It is crap with a fancy GUI slapped on top.

hey, it worked for Vista, why not Icy? :P

I'm not defending anyone. Don't jump down my throat.

How could "libapt-pkg" possibly do that without reading or retreiving the Packages file? You act like Icy's downloading the entire set of Packages before installing. It's not. It's just downloading the Packages list from the repo, which is exactly what APT does.

How the hell do you say dpkg is slower? THE PACKAGING SYSTEM IS DPKG. Bottom line is, Icy is faster than Cydia, despite my preferring the latter. Stop trying to make up reasons to yell at other people.

Package.diff. Learn it.

Dpkg, the command-line program, is the one used by Icy. libapt-pkg lets you install things programmatically instead of spawning a shell like Icy would have to do.