Hey so I have the iPod touch 2G now and I really liked it at first but i'm kinda bored of it now so I decided to buy a new mp3 player, but which one should I buy the iPod touch 3G (if one is really coming) or an Zune HD. Oh and I will keep my iPod touch 2G so I won't sell it or get rid of it or whatever. And why should it get the iPod or Zune

or you could get the Zii Egg

Play around with all three before you make your decision, buddy... Anyway, the 3gen iPod touch is not out yet, so I can't really make any comments... :)

or you could get the Zii Egg

I don't really like the design of the Zii it looks kinda cheap and has a Chinese-iPhone-Rip-Of look.

Wait for the iPods to be announced. Unless it's a drastic upgrade, get the Zune because you'll still have a touch anyway.

i think u should get the touch. i dont see any benefits of the zune other than hd output and radio.....dont get me started on the benefits of the ipod.

i think u should get the touch. i dont see any benefits of the zune other than hd output and radio.....dont get me started on the benefits of the ipod.

Name a few benefits of the iPod

all are most likely, since nothing is confirmed:
camera
mic
speakers
well developed app store
more storage
good tech support/replacement under warranty
...thats 3 major things that ipod has over the zune, and the zune has two minor things over the ipod.

all are most likely, since nothing is confirmed:
camera I wish the Zune HD had this.
mic And this.
speakers And especially this.
well developed app store Yes, it is pretty well developed, but I think that by the time you take out all of the crap-apps then it is drastically smaller.
more storage The Zune HD has the same amount of storage as the current iPod touch. Considering that, there are plenty of rumors of the Zune HD getting 64GB in a couple of months.
good tech support/replacement under warranty
...thats 3 major things that ipod has over the zune, and the zune has two minor things over the ipod.

Comments in Bold.

^so see, the ipod simply seems like a better device...does anyone disagree?

I'm waiting until the next iPod event, but that Zune is looking better and better every day.

I hate to say it, but unless apple comes out with something really groundbreaking, I'm gonna have to go with the Zune HD. It looks so nice.

why, though? im really trying to see why people prefer the zune....

why, though? im really trying to see why people prefer the zune....

The Zune is just such a leap forward from what it was. Apple has made small progressions, but for the most part, the Ipod has remained generally the same through all its different iterations. Plus its got a HD radio reciever, An OLED display, 720p Video Playback, and a sick looking UI, and it's cheaper than an Ipod touch.

I'm not hating on the ipod touch, I love the platform, but unless apple makes a HUGE leap forward with the 3G iPT, it doesn't compare to the new ZuneHD in my opinion.

Without even seeing the Zune HD in person, I am almost set on buying it. What's not to love about it? It truly is an HD portable media player, and the UI is very nice. Hey, Zune Pass also sounds like a nice added bonus when in a wi-fi zone, as well as the nice HD radio tuner.

Defidently iPod. No question.

Would you like to contribute to the discussion, or just post your senseless argument?

Defidently iPod. No question.

Why? Why just the iPod? Have you looked at the Zune HD???

Why? Why just the iPod? Have you looked at the Zune HD???

Exactly!! Just because this is IPOD TOUCH fans, doesn't mean you have to side with the ipod all the time. The iPod touch isn't always going to be the best, and the ZuneHD has a very strong chance at dethroning the iPod touch.

Part of the forum is turning into ZuneHDFans. Haha, I love it.

so you guys dont want a camera, mic and (specially for JKK) speakers?

those three have me sold on the touch. i want radio, a oled screen would be nice, i couldnt care less about hd output tbh, but i dont want em as much as the ipod's features.
i personally like the ipod's UI and i dont see anything special about the zune's. it has writing instead of icons on the 'home' page...seems nice, maybe equal to the ipods, but the overwhelming (at least for me) benefits of the ipod out weigh that.

that is all assuming, though, that the ipod will have a camera and mic, which i think is really likely.

so you guys dont want a camera, mic and (specially for JKK) speakers?

those three have me sold on the touch. i want radio, a oled screen would be nice, i couldnt care less about hd output tbh, but i dont want em as much as the ipod's features.
i personally like the ipod's UI and i dont see anything special about the zune's. it has writing instead of icons on the 'home' page...seems nice, maybe equal to the ipods, but the overwhelming (at least for me) benefits of the ipod out weigh that.

that is all assuming, though, that the ipod will have a camera and mic, which i think is really likely.

Totally agree,

I don't give a crap about the HD output or the OLED screen

and I have enough songs anyway, and there's always pandora

Speaking of pandora, for at least the first few months the Zune won't have a lot of these apps, or choice of apps that we know from the touch, even if a lot are crap

so you guys dont want a camera, mic and (specially for JKK) speakers?

those three have me sold on the touch. i want radio, a oled screen would be nice, i couldnt care less about hd output tbh, but i dont want em as much as the ipod's features.
i personally like the ipod's UI and i dont see anything special about the zune's. it has writing instead of icons on the 'home' page...seems nice, maybe equal to the ipods, but the overwhelming (at least for me) benefits of the ipod out weigh that.

that is all assuming, though, that the ipod will have a camera and mic, which i think is really likely.

You have to know that the iPod touch and the Zune HD are portable media players, so they're not an phone. If you want a camera an mic and some good speakers go get the iPhone.

But I just read the Zune HD specs and they kinda disappointed me. The Zune HD will only be released in the USA (I'm from Holland) and might be released late fall in Europe but nothing is confirmed yet. HD Radio is only available in the USA, the screen is smaller, the special dock is priced at 89,99$, the only image support they support is JPG which kinda sucks and last but not least the ''marketplace'' doesn't quite fit on the homescreen which is kinda odd.

http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/imgcache3/212fb7e583de737a81e081ac5b005fe2.png?orig_url=http ://rantsandstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/zunehdredcircle.jpg

If you idiots want a camera and microphone, just get the iPhone. If you want a real portable media player, get the Zune HD.

If you idiots want a camera and microphone, just get the iPhone. If you want a real portable media player, get the Zune HD.

Amen to that, my camera on my phone is great anyway 3.2 mp

If you idiots want a camera and microphone, just get the iPhone. If you want a real portable media player, get the Zune HD.

I don't want to pay $70 a month

I don't want to pay $70 a month

You don't have to pay $70 per month to own an iPhone. Save up some money and cancel the contract.

You don't have to pay $70 per month to own an iPhone. Save up some money and cancel the contract.

That is what I'm going to do if the iPod touch dissapoints and the Zune HD sucks.

So for a 16gb that's like $500

and if the touch 3g has 16gb w/ camera and mic for 230?

why the hell would I do that?

^exactly

If you idiots want a camera and microphone, just get the iPhone. If you want a real portable media player, get the Zune HD.

so im an idiot? im an idiot for wanting a (very useful, at least to me) camera and mic? im an idiot for not wanting to pay 175 (i think) to cancel the contract? im an idiot for not having 70 bucks a month to throw into a phone that im really not gonna use (i would use the device, just not the phone service). maybe many people are idiots....

^exactly



so im an idiot? im an idiot for wanting a (very useful, at least to me) camera and mic? im an idiot for not wanting to pay 175 (i think) to cancel the contract? im an idiot for not having 70 bucks a month to throw into a phone that im really not gonna use (i would use the device, just not the phone service). maybe many people are idiots....

The biggest thing (for me) would be the mic. Then I could remind myself stuff...

The camera isn't a big deal to me, although I would use it. My trusty Nikon D40 will be filling my Photostream in Flickr from now on!

:D

yeah, i'm no photographer, and im not crazy about having a DSLR with me everywhere i go, but for some on-the-go pics/funny signs/pics with your friends/quick vids....the ipod would be great. its something i would always have with me, and i would use it a lot. i was just trying to get the point thats in the second line of my sig clear to Germany, whom i have a lot of respect for before that post.

yeah, i'm no photographer, and im not crazy about having a DSLR with me everywhere i go, but for some on-the-go pics/funny signs/pics with your friends/quick vids....the ipod would be great. its something i would always have with me, and i would use it a lot. i was just trying to get the point thats in the second line of my sig clear to Germany, whom i have a lot of respect for before that post.

I don't take the DSLR everywhere. I have a point-and-shoot for that.

I have to say the iPod Touch 3G. Since I originally got the 2G back last Christmas, I couldn't possibly think of a way without such a device in my life. Don't get me wrong, I like the the Zune HD too and If the 3G didn't have an App Store I would easily pic the Zune HD over it. It's just the lack of any Apps(as of yet) that have me worried.

We should petition to have a Zune HD fans section created. A larger one than the current "competitors" section.

We should petition to have a Zune HD fans section created. A larger one than the current "competitors" section.

http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231350
i tried :S

Why would you want a Zune look at it. UGLY. The operating system is just scrolling though choises, boring. I don't see why everyone is so excited about the new Zune. It doesn't look any better and the iPod Touch 2g, and I think it looks worse. The iPod Touch 3g will definitely be better. But, if Apple doesn't do something good I might go for the Zii Egg. Now that one has some good stuff that the iPod Touch doesn't have. It is a competition between the iPod Touch 3g and the Zii Egg. Forget the Zune. I hope Apple does something great with the new iPod Touch. If you are bored of the iPod Touch get the Zii Egg not the Zune HD. Seriously the Zune HD! :cool:

if you already have an ipod, why would you want another one, just what i think

Hey so I have the iPod touch 2G now and I really liked it at first but i'm kinda bored of it now so I decided to buy a new mp3 player, but which one should I buy the iPod touch 3G (if one is really coming) or an Zune HD. Oh and I will keep my iPod touch 2G so I won't sell it or get rid of it or whatever. And why should it get the iPod or Zune

You do know which website your on right?

You do know which website your on right?

lol n1

In the perfect world, I'd get either one and at the end of next month, if I find an inferior portable media player, I'd give it to my sister or friend.

However, I don't have the money to blow on 2 portable media players, so I'll have to think about this logically. Just by going with what the interweb has speculated for features and my real world experience, I'd choose the 3rd gen iPod Touch - I have way too many movies and music to convert; m car and stereo (when I get it back from my friend) has an iPod dock - and the only way I'll choose the Zune HD over the iPod is if I buy $100 in accessories (car audio adapter, TV adapter, zune pass).

Although I loved the FM radio on my Creative Microphoto (which saved me a few times while I rode on the bus). C'mon Apple: put in a FM radio in the iPod!! I already have a camera on my regular cell phone, PDA cell phone, and I have a $400 camera. Unless I have 4 hands, I won't be using 4 cameras.

Another thing.. the Zune Marketplace is fucked up, you can't download/rent movies and there are not so much TV shows on it. So yeah idk. I might go for the iPod touch 3G after all. Cuz how are we supposed to use the HD dock if there are no movies in the marketplace that you can rent. so the Zune Marketplace is a big fail atm.

all are most likely, since nothing is confirmed:
camera
mic
speakers
well developed app store
more storage
good tech support/replacement under warranty
...thats 3 major things that ipod has over the zune, and the zune has two minor things over the ipod.

Camera? I have a 3.5 megapixel camera on my phone, do I need two? No.
Mic? Seems like a good concept, but I would never use voip or anything.
Speakers? seriously...why. I bought 75 dollar ear buds for a reason.
App store... Hmmm. Benefit for most people. But I lived with an iPod Touch for a year and RARELY used the app store. You think it's cool when you hear it, then you get an ipod touch and all the apps you download end up getting deleted after a week cause they bore you to death.
More storage? Simply put, I have 6 gigs of music and don't need any more room.
Tech support? Apple? Good tech support?! LOLZ.

Again, this is strictly opinionated and I am not a microsoft fan boy. Or any fan boy for that matter. Zune HD looks cooler, and I'm sick of Apples iPod touch/iPhone interface. So there. I will be buying a Zune HD. People are different of course, App store could be a huge factor for you, some people love apple and hate microsoft. Who knows? Nobody knows. Do what you want, don't go on a forum saying "Should I get the Zune HD or the iPod touch"

^not at all. Ipods are years in the future compaired to the zune

Another thing.. the Zune Marketplace is fucked up, you can't download/rent movies and there are not so much TV shows on it. So yeah idk. I might go for the iPod touch 3G after all. Cuz how are we supposed to use the HD dock if there are no movies in the marketplace that you can rent. so the Zune Marketplace is a big fail atm.
Zune marketplace a fail? Have you ever heard of the zune pass? Until Apple comes up with something like that, the Zune marketplace is much better IMO.

Zune marketplace a fail? Have you ever heard of the zune pass? Until Apple comes up with something like that, the Zune marketplace is much better IMO.

Dude, fu*k the Zune pass it isn't even available outside the US and it probably never will, I've tried the Zune software and it looked better then iTunes but again iTunes has much more to offer.

the zune hd (from what i heard) is also going to be able to buy apps from the "Microsoft App Store", but it probably wont be as much develooped as the current one
also, the zii egg is a stemcell computer

Well see it from my point of view, if the Zune HD has applications, and SDK or whatever on windows then , i will get one

Camera? I have a 3.5 megapixel camera on my phone, do I need two? No.
Mic? Seems like a good concept, but I would never use voip or anything.
Speakers? seriously...why. I bought 75 dollar ear buds for a reason.
App store... Hmmm. Benefit for most people. But I lived with an iPod Touch for a year and RARELY used the app store. You think it's cool when you hear it, then you get an ipod touch and all the apps you download end up getting deleted after a week cause they bore you to death.
More storage? Simply put, I have 6 gigs of music and don't need any more room.
Tech support? Apple? Good tech support?! LOLZ.

Again, this is strictly opinionated and I am not a microsoft fan boy. Or any fan boy for that matter. Zune HD looks cooler, and I'm sick of Apples iPod touch/iPhone interface.

your opinion sucks -.-

your opinion sucks -.-

Half of the stuff he said is true. How does his opinion suck? Saying that is as stupid as me saying your opinion of his opinion sucks.

The only thing I don't agree about is the camera. I would love a camera on my iPod. I agree with the rest. I will hardly use the mic and only use the speakers when I'm too lazy to get out my Vibes. The apps in the App Store are mostly trash, too. I get bored of most apps, excluding HoldEm, Wild West Pinball, and Cube Runner.

Half of the stuff he said is true. How does his opinion suck? Saying that is as stupid as me saying your opinion of his opinion sucks.

The only thing I don't agree about is the camera. I would love a camera on my iPod. I agree with the rest. I will hardly use the mic and only use the speakers when I'm too lazy to get out my Vibes. The apps in the App Store are mostly trash, too. I get bored of most apps, excluding HoldEm, Wild West Pinball, and Cube Runner.

well half the stuff is kinda true like i wouldnt really use the mic either and i would use the speakers when i dont want to wear headphones also lots of the app store apps do get boring but what really sucked me through his opinion is saying the Zune HD is better then the iPod touch...as for the camera part im with ya bcuz my phone says its 2.0 mp but it takes worse pics than my DSi

Dude, fu*k the Zune pass it isn't even available outside the US and it probably never will, I've tried the Zune software and it looked better then iTunes but again iTunes has much more to offer.
Thought you would like to see this (http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/28/zune-hd-pamphlet-discloses-hd-movies-coming-to-zune-marketplace/).

Thought you would like to see this (http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/28/zune-hd-pamphlet-discloses-hd-movies-coming-to-zune-marketplace/).

Yeah I'd already saw that, but don't you know that iTunes has HD movies AND TV shows for like about a year now ? But it's nice that the zune is also working on it.

Yeah I'd already saw that, but don't you know that iTunes has HD movies AND TV shows for like about a year now ? But it's nice that the zune is also working on it.
Sure iTunes has had them, but you couldn't play them through the player itself in HD. Whats the point if the device your going to sync it do can't even display it in HD?

iPod Touch 3rd Gen. will blow Zune HD out of the water...to be honest.

Sure iTunes has had them, but you couldn't play them through the player itself in HD. Whats the point if the device your going to sync it do can't even display it in HD?

You can't do that with the Zune HD neither. You can only put 720p movies & tv shows on your Zune and stream them to your tv with the HD dock which costs 90$.

i think u should get the touch. i dont see any benefits of the zune other than hd output and radio.....dont get me started on the benefits of the ipod.

I won't get you started on that. The list is so short that I wouldn't see a reply.

ok ok who's the guys who chose the Zune HD Haha

well, germany, for one.^

all are most likely, since nothing is confirmed:
camera
mic
speakers
well developed app store
more storage
good tech support/replacement under warranty
...thats 3 major things that ipod has over the zune, and the zune has two minor things over the ipod.

Camera: I admit, it would be nice for quick snapshots, but if the quality is anything like the iPhone's (it will be), that's disappointing. I already have a nice camera.

Microphone: Quality won't be there. I already have a great microphone for my iPod touch... Wait, I sold it to get the 3G/Zune HD. Haha.

Speakers: If you even somewhat care about music, you will have some good earphones/headphones where you can hear good/great quality. A speaker might (I repeat, might) be good for some games, but let's be honest with ourselves; mobile games aren't that fun for that long.

Well Developed App Store: Are you kidding me? The App Store is a piece of ****. Sure, there are some good apps but the majority are poorly developed, a struggle to use, and non-functional. Most of the games get boring after 10 minutes, and there are hundreds of copycats for each of the popular apps (ex. iFarts, Flashlights, Sound Grenades). Even if you do like the App Store a lot (what on earth is the matter?), let's not forget how long it took Apple to catch up with the Jailbroken community (apps). They didn't even have an App Store for a long period of time when the original iPod touch was out.

If the Zune HD has some nice applications for more essential things such as an RSS reader, Twitter client, Facebook client, eBay app, and so on, I'll be happy. I'm not all that crazy on 10 minute wonders (mobile games that are only fun for 10 minutes until you realized what a waste of money it was)

More Storage: 32GB > 32GB? What are you talking about. The Zune HD is offered in a 16GB or 32GB model. The iPod touch is offered in an 8GB, 16GB, or 32GB model. Tell me where you see more storage here! I'd like to know. Also, the Zune HD is rumoured to be coming out in a 64GB model somewhere down the line, which I honestly think is a likely event. Oh by the way, did I mention that the 16GB Zune HD is priced lower than the 8GB iPod touch? Hmmm.

Good Tech Support/Replacement Under Warranty: Yes, I have to agree with you on the warranty part, but come on!? How hard is it to convince an Apple employee to get you a new one (NOW!) even though you don't have a warranty. Not hard. Yes, they are good with warranties but I'm just saying...

Good tech support? Not from what I've experienced. Talking to Apple employees is like trying to ask an infant how to fix your iPhone for example. They always avoid the question, and try to come up with simple ways to fix something that doesn't actually fix it. I do recall a few times where they were helpful, but other than that, the average Apple employee doesn't know much.

Okay, so that about sums up the basic replies. Feel free to ask me about other things related to the Zune HD vs. iPod touch stuff. I'm happy to have friendly arguments/discussions.

speakers are great for listening in groups and such. i really miss them when all my friends have 2gs and im the only one without speakers. im not saying that they'll replace a pair of 200$ headphones/earbuds, but they are a very nice addition.
i really dont care too much about 'quality' pictures, and an iphone camera would be fine for general use. for a special occasion or something, i would use my dad's nikon dslr.
and i will admit that a lot of the appstore apps are complete crap, but atleast it has a lot of apps. whats to say that the zune's apps would be of any better quality?

You're typing goes hand in hand with your name. Haha. It's so hard to read. Try using capitalization, and a friendlier format without randomly starting new lines. It'd be much easier to read... Just a recommendation.

Anyways, yes speakers are decent for group listening but the last thing I want is people leeching off of my device. Haha.

You're typing goes hand in hand with your name. Haha. It's so hard to read. Try using capitalization, and a friendlier format without randomly starting new lines. It'd be much easier to read... Just a recommendation.

Anyways, yes speakers are decent for group listening but the last thing I want is people leeching off of my device. Haha.

It wasn't that hard to read, dude. I agree with the punctuation and capitalization. It's much easier to read. :)

Speakers are decent, but if there's more than one playing, they're just annoying. I'd rather use my sexalicious earphones.

Speakers are decent, but if there's more than one playing, they're just annoying. I'd rather use my sexalicious earphones.

Are they IEMs or Earbuds? I prefer IEMs over Earbuds, but I recently went a completely different route and got some over-ear headphones. They are magnificent, but if I need really portable earphones/headphones, I'll go with my IEM's. Back on topic, I think that the Zune HD handles media a lot better than iPods do, but we'll just have to try it out on September 15.

sorry about my typing. I was on my mom's netbook that I'm not used to and now my iPod. I was trying to start new lines for each subject like mini paragraphs.


Oh...and about the waranty, I would love to see you convince an apple store genius that they should replace your 13 month old iPod for, say, a battery issue. it's their job on the line and they could potentially get in a lot of trouble for giving out free iPods.

I forgive you for the typing. Netbooks are a devil to type on. That's part of the reason I would never get one. If you have small-any larger sized hands, it's hard to type. Extra small hands and under are much better suited for netbooks. Haha.

Anyways, I don't mean 13 months. Lol. Six months is more reasonable.

Well here are my reasons:


Camera: My phone camera sucks big time crap, and I don't have a point and shoot with me all the time.... I don't care for THAT high quality of an image either.

Microphone:Don't care about quality (won't use it that much), just has to work

Speakers:Same as Hellishness

Well Developed App Store: Everyone's arguement is "look at all the crappy fart apps".... OK i get that it can be bloated with a lot of crap, but there are definitly very useful apps out there. It may be hard to sift through to find what you are looking for.... But on iptf I can always find same pretty cool games/free apps, as well as on my own, and these are essential time killers for me as I don't listen to all that much music.

For the Zune:
They will never have as full of a selection as the app store, even if the apps are hard to find

More Storage: We don't know what the pricing/memory will be of the 3g touch, so there is no comparing to do at the moment

HD VideoThe iphone 3gs is capable of 1080p output, there is nothing stopping them from putting it out in a software update for the 3g...
http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233943

HD Radio Good feature if I don't have wifi or I don't want to listen to any of my music, which is about.... 5% of the time, it doesn't make much of a difference to me...

I think the Zune HD will get a lot of applications over time. I'm sure Microsoft won't be such a ***** about their app store like Apple is. Haha.

The main problem for me would be the lack of bluetooth in the Zune HD. I've been using bluetooth headphones to listen to music on my 2g ever since bluetooth was unlocked with os 3.0.

I'm not sure if we understood each other Germany, but what you said was that it wasn't that hard to get an apple store employee to replace an ipod beyond the warranty period...right? What i meant is that if your ipod is 13 months old, meaning one month past the warranty period, you could not get it replaced. You were saying that it would be at 6 months, which is still within the warranty....

Here's my take

If the new iPod doesn't have a camera, or, more importantly, the 3GS internals, then I'm getting the Zune. If they just stick a camera in a 2G, I'll pass.

I'm not sure if we understood each other Germany, but what you said was that it wasn't that hard to get an apple store employee to replace an ipod beyond the warranty period...right? What i meant is that if your ipod is 13 months old, meaning one month past the warranty period, you could not get it replaced. You were saying that it would be at 6 months, which is still within the warranty....

No, I mean without a warranty. I don't buy those stupid things unless it's a computer or something. iPods last a year or longer which is all I need them to do.

Here's my take

If the new iPod doesn't have a camera, or, more importantly, the 3GS internals, then I'm getting the Zune. If they just stick a camera in a 2G, I'll pass.

I couldn't agree more. If the camera is in, but it has the same design, I'll go with the Zune HD.

so you guys dont want a camera, mic and (specially for JKK) speakers?

those three have me sold on the touch. i want radio, a oled screen would be nice, i couldnt care less about hd output tbh, but i dont want em as much as the ipod's features.
i personally like the ipod's UI and i dont see anything special about the zune's. it has writing instead of icons on the 'home' page...seems nice, maybe equal to the ipods, but the overwhelming (at least for me) benefits of the ipod out weigh that.

that is all assuming, though, that the ipod will have a camera and mic, which i think is really likely.

what good's an ipod camera for someone who has a digital camera, that takes better pictures than the ipod could ever hope to? Mic? For? I wouldn't use it ever. ZoMg built in crappy speakers... there's something to hop for...

I want the radio tuner, a nice screen, AND hd output, that would help me so very much considering that I tend to watch movies off of portable devices anyway, and hooking up to a tv would be sick. Plus, the ZuneHD Looks a lot nicer than the ipod touch does, hands down.

I'm sorry, but the iPod is boring now, and it's not appealing to as broad an audience as people thought it did.

+1 Finally someone else realizes how great the Zune HD is.

what good's an ipod camera for someone who has a digital camera, that takes better pictures than the ipod could ever hope to? Mic? For? I wouldn't use it ever. ZoMg built in crappy speakers... there's something to hop for...

I want the radio tuner, a nice screen, AND hd output, that would help me so very much considering that I tend to watch movies off of portable devices anyway, and hooking up to a tv would be sick. Plus, the ZuneHD Looks a lot nicer than the ipod touch does, hands down.

I'm sorry, but the iPod is boring now, and it's not appealing to as broad an audience as people thought it did.

First of all, I don't always have my digital camera with me, but I always have my ipod (and my phones camera is a stupid vga)... so mostly for the portablilty and convenience.

And the mic.. duh.. video capture.. and possibly some games.

And for the zune: I wouldn't every really use the radio on it... same with the hd output... I have no need to use it...

but zune doesn't have a good interface??

I agree, the Zune HD doesn't have a good interface. It has a great interface. It's much better than the iPhoneOS's inteface, and I can almost guarantee you haven't even tried it yet, so don't be talking bad about it. I think it's much better, and so do a lot of tech enthusiasts from major tech sites that have played around with it.

Well both devices are different (probably.. based on the rumors of the 3g) .. and they both suit different people based on individual wants/needs...

what good's an ipod camera for someone who has a digital camera, that takes better pictures than the ipod could ever hope to? Mic? For? I wouldn't use it ever. ZoMg built in crappy speakers... there's something to hop for...

I want the radio tuner, a nice screen, AND hd output, that would help me so very much considering that I tend to watch movies off of portable devices anyway, and hooking up to a tv would be sick. Plus, the ZuneHD Looks a lot nicer than the ipod touch does, hands down.

I'm sorry, but the iPod is boring now, and it's not appealing to as broad an audience as people thought it did.

first of all i dont have a digital camera and my phone takes much worse pictures then my sisters DSi (have u seen the pictures taken by those by the way) so if the touch gets a camera at least like the 2-3mp then i would use it as my main camera

as for the mic i would use it a bunch bcuz there is a lot of apps in the app store that require a mic (especially my favorite ones)

as for the speakers sometimes i am lazy to put on headphones or i just need to play guitar with something with a speaker...BOOM the iPod is right there

lol i could care less bout a radio tuner and hd output since i wouldnt use that but thats your opinion and thats all that counts when people say something (trying to be positive here lol)and the iPod touch has the best interface any device can ever have (i say that because i am the typical Apple Fanboy)

i for one would chose the iPod touch....i would never go to the Zune and i dare to even say it (although my sister is getting the Zune HD i am still getting the iPod touch)

Clearly for an unbiased decision, you go to ipodtouchfans.com

I really don't wanna buy a new camera and i seriously think (minus the flash) that the iPhone takes better pics than my current digital camera. A mic would be for video and cool apps like fring and skype. Have you ever been with your friends? And wanted to play a song in a group? Speakers are a big deal for me since I'm in that situation all the time.

A radio would be nice, but i have a Creative MP3 player and i can't tell you how much i don't[I] use the radio. A nicer screen is definitely a plus, but to be honest, I've never really watched movies and such that would require a really nice screen. I think the iPod's screen is good enough. I don't have an HDTV, so HD output would only be [I]kinda pointless...And i think that the iPod looks better, other than the back, i would love brush aluminum. The Zune seems to be a lot thicker and is shaped weirdly, IMO.


Oh BTW, lilbitbrit, have you seen JKK around lately? I haven't seen him in weeks!

Wow, you are just one walking bunch of bias and uneducated opinions. The Zune HD is almost exactly the same depth as the current iPod touch. Do a little bit of research, and I won't have to prove you wrong all the time.

If you are deciding what to get based on the opinions in this thread I suggest you look elsewhere, you will get nothing but biased opinions here.

Not from me. I've been pointing out positives and negatives to both devices.

If you are deciding what to get based on the opinions in this thread I suggest you look elsewhere, you will get nothing but biased opinions here.

Clearly for an unbiased decision, you go to ipodtouchfans.com

lol, do you guys want this to be a hate thread or what? stay on topic or just shut up.

That's all this thread is supposed to be, not about fact, but about one's opinion :/ if you don't like it, then get out.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the 3G is CRAP. no camera no MIC no Processor upgrades no nothing.

No camera? Definitely the ZuneHD now. especially since the 32 GB is less.

buying the Zune HD and keeping my 1g touch

I believe the fortune of the Zune HD has changed for the better lads.

even with a mic/camera the zune hd is still the superior device. Why?

1. oled screen. MUCH better than the touch's lcd screen, if you don't believe me look at this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b64SKiLc80o it shows the cowon s9 (with a oled screen) vs the ipod touch 2g's lcd. the video speaks for itself, ipod touches screen loses by far. Way clearer, accurate blacks and longer battery life

2. sound quality. pretty much any non-apple/ipod fanboy knows ipods probably have the worst sound quality out of all PMPs

3. battery life because of the oled screen.

so now that the 3g touch doesn't even have a camera or mic it really has NOTHING on the zune hd

even with a mic/camera the zune hd is still the superior device. Why?

1. oled screen. MUCH better than the touch's lcd screen, if you don't believe me look at this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b64SKiLc80o it shows the cowon s9 (with a oled screen) vs the ipod touch 2g's lcd. the video speaks for itself, ipod touches screen loses by far. Way clearer, accurate blacks and longer battery life

2. sound quality. pretty much any non-apple/ipod fanboy knows ipods probably have the worst sound quality out of all PMPs

3. battery life because of the oled screen.

so now that the 3g touch doesn't even have a camera or mic it really has NOTHING on the zune hd

well it has app store and jailbreaking on it for now.

I personally like how the demographic has utterly changed from:

"Yyyyeeeaahhh I'm going to get a new 3G w/ mic and camera" to
"Baaahhhhh where's my mic and camera, I hate you now apple"

Seein' all you fanboy's turn tail and run towards Microsoft is the funniest thing ever so much for all your guys product loyalty.. Shit went out the window w/ the camera and it's supposed cases :) HA HA.

I personally like how the demographic has utterly changed from:

"Yyyyeeeaahhh I'm going to get a new 3G w/ mic and camera" to
"Baaahhhhh where's my mic and camera, I hate you now apple"

Seein' all you fanboy's turn tail and run towards Microsoft is the funniest thing ever so much for all your guys product loyalty.. Shit went out the window w/ the camera and it's supposed cases :) HA HA.

This. :)

+1 Finally someone else realizes how great the Zune HD is.

it's not even out yet, you muppet.

I don't get the big deal, why does a music player need a camera? A mic i can see. I just can't grasp the fact that everyone is so angry with Apple over a camera on a music player. I have a cellphone for that. The no camera doesn't change my mind about the iPod Touch at all.

Apple has many people, most of which are smarter and get paid more than you. So I'm pretty sure whatever reason they had not to include a camera is a very good reason. I also don't understand why the Zune HD is so much better.

You people flip flop way to easy. I guess its good that there is no camera, that way you aren't spending your parents hard earned money.

I don't get the big deal, why does a music player need a camera? A mic i can see. I just can't grasp the fact that everyone is so angry with Apple over a camera on a music player. I have a cellphone for that. The no camera doesn't change my mind about the iPod Touch at all.

Apple has many people, most of which are smarter and get paid more than you. So I'm pretty sure whatever reason they had not to include a camera is a very good reason. I also don't understand why the Zune HD is so much better.

You people flip flop way to easy. I guess its good that there is no camera, that way you aren't spending your parents hard earned money.

This.

Also, I'd nevar evar go to a Zune. @fungwu, that makes no sense. Sound quality depends on the type of headphones/earphones and the quality of the music you download. Unless you mean external speaker, which makes me lol because the Zune HD doesn't even have an external speaker.

Actually your wrong on that sound quality depends on the sound chip or whatever its called, which I've heard the Zii has the best of the 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIkJuF1UXJI
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