Microsoft has recently released an "App Store" with all free applications, but with static/video ads. Also, they are charging $99 to developers for each app they submit. See here:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/16/microsoft_sells_restrictive_new_wimo_marketplace_v ia_iphone_ads.html

charging $99 to developers for each app they submit

Wow, that's just really stupid.

What's even more sad is that if the App gets rejected, Developers have to pay $99 again to re-submit it. No refunds.

$99 seems a little overkill.
Alot overkill.

What MS's bigger mistake than the $99 fee, is them not releasing an SDK kit, which prevents developers from making apps independently.

Developers have to work directly with MS to get their app released. That costs more time and money, and as a result, there's going to be nowhere near as many apps as apples app store.

MS knows this, and is downplaying the app store, saying the Zune HD is more of a media player, not an all in one device like the touch.

On the bright side, there wont be as many junky apps on the zune marketplace, but I doubt there will be as many good games going on sale, and lite/demo versions either.

There are vital apps it should have launched with, like Email, Youtube, and a Zune version of Apples Remote. Who knows if those are even in the works.

LOL love this pic
http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/imgcache3/bb7774d91ef3b0a1e38247fdd67307df.png?orig_url=http ://images.appleinsider.com/WiMo.iPhone.ad.jpg
Odd...

"...plans to be even more restrictive than Apple's App Store..."
No thanks.

Apple opened their app store about 10 months after releasing the iPod touch. Don't even bother trying to give me some of your crap. Microsoft is exponentially ahead of where Apple was after releasing the iPod touch.

Apple opened their app store about 10 months after releasing the iPod touch. Don't even bother trying to give me some of your crap. Microsoft is exponentially ahead of where Apple was after releasing the iPod touch.

hes gotta point. but the $99 thing is stupid.

Apple opened their app store about 10 months after releasing the iPod touch. Don't even bother trying to give me some of your crap. Microsoft is exponentially ahead of where Apple was after releasing the iPod touch.

did you even read it...

Apple opened their app store about 10 months after releasing the iPod touch. Don't even bother trying to give me some of your crap. Microsoft is exponentially ahead of where Apple was after releasing the iPod touch.

True. Very very true.

What MS's bigger mistake than the $99 fee, is them not releasing an SDK kit, which prevents developers from making apps independently.

Developers have to work directly with MS to get their app released. That costs more time and money, and as a result, there's going to be nowhere near as many apps as apples app store.

MS knows this, and is downplaying the app store, saying the Zune HD is more of a media player, not an all in one device like the touch.

On the bright side, there wont be as many junky apps on the zune marketplace, but I doubt there will be as many good games going on sale, and lite/demo versions either.

There are vital apps it should have launched with, like Email, Youtube, and a Zune version of Apples Remote. Who knows if those are even in the works.

technically there is an SDK. A crappy one but one none the less. It seams its nothing more than than a newer upgrade of the XNA for the old zune. It did not mention anything about its 3D capabilities.
http://zunited.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=939eea883f235b7b6448918998d31b 0d&topic=11016.0

th good part is that it will limit the number of stuid fart and flashlight apps.

th good part is that it will limit the number of stuid fart and flashlight apps.

there's nothing wrong with having the CHOICE to download a fart app.

and the point about iPod taking 10 months to have an app store doesnt really matter. The Zune app store potential is all just anticipation, prediction, and hope.

maybe in 1-2 years MS will have a robust app store that can compete, but im not waiting for MS to possibly catch up. i want a good selection of apps NOW.

And if the zune does end up to be an iPod killer, the PMP to end all PMP's, then I will glady sell my iPod and get the zune.

But in the meantime, i'll wait. Right now the 3g touch is looking better.

Microsoft is at it again. FAIL!

"Microsoft is also doing nothing to bind its Windows Mobile smartphones together with Zune sales to create a larger, unified software market for Windows CE-based devices. The Zune team isn't even really operating a software store, but instead only allowing a few select developers to offer free software titles. While the Zune HD packaging highlights its ability to play games, there will be no real market promoting the creation of games for users to play."

WinMo and Zune aren't even using the same appstore.

Zune is only letting VERY few developers develop apps for it right now.

*Can't stop laughing at the blind fanboys*


Edit:
"When asked about the company's Zune HD software store plans in relation to new WiMo Marketplace, Seitz, spoke of Windows Mobile as if it were a different company."

Did you even read the article you posted? or did you skim just to post some fanboyish crap?

Why is everyone that doubts the Zune labeled an Apple fanboy? Why is everyone that likes the zune called an MS fanboy?

What I want to know is: Will there be background apps.

Yet Apple has 75,000 of crap apps and not one that will wipe my ass for me.

Also, they are charging $99 to developers for each app they submit. I can't stop laughing.

Too damn greedy.

Why is everyone that doubts the Zune labeled an Apple fanboy? Why is everyone that likes the zune called an MS fanboy?

Because they aren't even reading the article. The article is about windows mobile apps. And in the article it specifically states that the zune's software and windows mobile are not integrated. And it has been said that the Zune team will only let a few select developers develop zune apps for now.

I'm in no way a fanboy for MS. I don't even own an xbox 360(You could actually say I'm a sony fanboy if you needed to label me) but I just hate when people don't even read the articles and spout crap.

That't really too bad. I wish Microsoft could at least make something unique and not like Apple (appstore, touch screen, aluminum).

Wow, that's just really stupid.

It's not like anything Apple sells is overpriced is it?

Lol its a pathetic attempt.

That't really too bad. I wish Microsoft could at least make something unique and not like Apple (appstore, touch screen, aluminum).

ohhh and I'm pretty sure Apple was the first one to create appstore, touch screen and aluminum body. Apple sure do create unique stuff.

That't really too bad. I wish Microsoft could at least make something unique and not like Apple (appstore, touch screen, aluminum).

I agree, because there's certainly no way that Microsoft already had a mobile platform that supported apps on touch screen devices before the iPhone and iPod did, even if it was only used on phones.

For those who couldn't tell, I'm being sarcastic.

Apple opened their app store about 10 months after releasing the iPod touch. Don't even bother trying to give me some of your crap. Microsoft is exponentially ahead of where Apple was after releasing the iPod touch.

Yes but Microsoft knows that Apple has made tons of money off of the App Store. Apple started the idea and didn't get it from another company as far as I am aware.

For everyone spouting "pathetic attempt", elaborate. How the can you get anywhere in business by not borrowing/using successful ideas? Apple is so revolutionary and never borrows anything from any company though, right?

ALSO this is the wrong forum. The article is about windows mobile, not zune.

It's for the Zune HD

Did you even read the goddamn article? There is only one Zune section and it says how the Zune and Wimo are NOT integrated with each other. It even says right there in that specific section how the Zune "Software store" isn't even relly a store right now.

You are so quick to say "Zune fails" and put it in your sig but you can't even read an article.

Edit1:
I see you took it off right before or while I posted. I remember what it says though.

Edit2:
The Zune HD is an epic fail. See Microsoft's "App Store"
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/16/microsoft_sells_restrictive_new_wimo_marketplace_v ia_iphone_ads.html

In the link it even says WiMo. looks more like someone's reading comprehension fails.

Apple opened their app store about 10 months after releasing the iPod touch. Don't even bother trying to give me some of your crap. Microsoft is exponentially ahead of where Apple was after releasing the iPod touch.

$99 for an app submission? That's worse than Apple. I don't think it's even for the Zune HD, right?

Did you even read the goddamn article? There is only one Zune section and it says how the Zune and Wimo are NOT integrated with each other. It even says right there in that specific section how the Zune "Software store" isn't even relly a store right now.

You are so quick to say "Zune fails" and put it in your sig but you can't even read an article.

Edit1:
I see you took it off right before or while I posted. I remember what it says though.

Edit2:



In the link it even says WiMo. looks more like someone's reading comprehension fails.
Oh... wow i'm a retard. Also, I changed the sig, then saw your post. Sorry, I have no idea why I thought it was for Zune, it was very late.

For everyone spouting "pathetic attempt", elaborate. How the can you get anywhere in business by not borrowing/using successful ideas? Apple is so revolutionary and never borrows anything from any company though, right?

For the most part, yes. While Apple takes more chances with new design, most of what Microsoft does is reactionary. Xbox Live was a reaction to xband and sega.net. Windows 7 is a reaction to OSX Leopard, the Zune was a reaction to the iPod, Bing is a reaction to Google, so on and so forth.

When Microsoft tries to overtake a market, they will introduce new features with their product that the competition doesnt have, the thing is, most of these features are not very well fleshed out, or vital.

The "squirt songs to other zune users" feature on the original Zune was a failure. I never ran into a single Zune user out in the wild, to even have a chance to use it.

The new Zune has HD output, but nobody is going to use it because it requires a $90 dock. It has the ability to stream unlimited music, but nobody wants to pay $180 a year for music they can't keep. It has HD radio, but not many radio stations utilize it, and the difference between analogue is slight.

And the Zune has so far always been too little too late. If the Zune HD came out at the same time as the original Touch, it could have possibly been an iPod killer. But it seems like MS always has to wait for Apple to make their move, until they release their product.

To me, the Zune exists only for the purpose of a decent non apple option in the MP3 market.

$99 for an app submission? That's worse than Apple. I don't think it's even for the Zune HD, right?

It's not. What i've been saying this whole post.

Oh... wow i'm a retard. Also, I changed the sig, then saw your post.
I realized that. Hence "before or while I posted."

You aren't retarded, maybe a bit lazy at reading.

Yeah, I didn't get all the way to the bottom. Had to close it before I did. :/

I'm guessing the Zune isn't even going to come close to the iPod touch for a while. Once they open up an App Store for it I'll rethink my opinion.

Yes but Microsoft knows that Apple has made tons of money off of the App Store. Apple started the idea and didn't get it from another company as far as I am aware.

Nope but they did get it from jailbreaking.

I think this is more of what I originally intended: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/17/microsoft_uses_adware_model_to_pay_for_zune_hd_app s.html And yes, this time it is for the Zune HD.

For the most part, yes. While Apple takes more chances with new design, most of what Microsoft does is reactionary. Xbox Live was a reaction to xband and sega.net. Windows 7 is a reaction to OSX Leopard, the Zune was a reaction to the iPod, so on and so forth.

When Microsoft tries to overtake a market, they will introduce new features with their product that the competition doesnt have, the thing is, most of these features are not very well fleshed out, or vital.

The "squirt songs to other zune users" feature on the original Zune was a failure. I never ran into a single Zune user out in the wild, to even have a chance to use it.

The new Zune has HD output, but nobody is going to use it because it requires a $90 dock. It has the ability to stream unlimited music, but nobody wants to pay $180 a year for music they can't keep. It has HD radio, but not many radio stations utilize it, and the difference between analogue is slight.

And the Zune has so far always been too little too late. If the Zune HD came out at the same time as the original Touch, it could have possibly been an iPod killer. But it seems like MS always has to wait for Apple to make their move, until they release their product.

To me, the Zune exists only for the purpose of a decent non apple option in the MP3 market.

I will actually agree with most of what you said except for the Windows 7 thing since I'm not too sure about that(I thought it was an attempt at making a better vista + taking on OSX, which kinda boils down to a reaction I guess, idk).

The only thing I have seen Microsoft do successfully is take on Sony(360 v PS3). It required a loss of millions/bilions though, and the race is way closer than PS2 Vs Xbox(which was a curbstomp like ipod vs zune).

I think this is more of what I originally intended: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...hd_app s.html And yes, this time it is for the Zune HD.

That is pretty damned absurd. But it's free*sigh*. Would rather have ads in free things than in something I paid for.

I hate App politics.

Well the verdict is in. The current 7 games that are out on the marketplace blow ass, even for free games, and they spam ad's bad too.

http://wireless.ign.com/articles/102/1025287p1.html

MS's whole restrictive stance is supposed to make the app store about quality more than quantity. So far it doesnt have either, but it does need at least a good 6 months to prove itself. Still MS was capable of making such a better launch, especially with the huge budget they have.

Apple opened their app store about 10 months after releasing the iPod touch. Don't even bother trying to give me some of your crap. Microsoft is exponentially ahead of where Apple was after releasing the iPod touch.

im sorry if i flame you or anything but i get pissed off of you protecting MS and dissing Apple...im sorry I'm not the kind of person to tell people that and i barely have enemies for that cuz im a nice guy and all but this really turned the knob a bit to far

Apple opened the app store late because they really had no need for it and not much competition at the time....MS opened it right away due to the fact that the iPod touch was a competitor but the iPod will always beat the Zune (give me a flame if you want even though i have the iPod touch 3G and i am going to get the Zune HD) i think you should give Apple a break because you are saying the Zune HD is all that and what not...like if you werent into the iPods/iPhones once....

you might be getting this reply from one of the biggest Apple fanboys someone can imagine thats out there but can you just cut Apple some slack...Apple may have failed some upgrades like Snow Leopard didn't change much from Leopard,the iPod touch 3G didn't change much from the 2G,and the iPod Classic may have not changed much at all for a long time but can you really blame Apple for that as much as MS not changing the UI of the Zune

MS did a good thing releasing the Zune HD saving them from complete fails like Windows Vista,XP,X-Box 360 and what not but just please keep your ranting to yourself....we don't need to hear everything you need to say about the Zune....this is iPod touch Fans and most of us here like iPods so it really pisses off a majority of us here.....i ask you nicely...May you please stop ranting about how the Zune HD is all that and that Apple is crap....some of us don't think Apple is crap but you sir,just offend us Apple Fanboys :p

im sorry if i flame you or anything but i get pissed off of you protecting MS and dissing Apple...im sorry I'm not the kind of person to tell people that and i barely have enemies for that cuz im a nice guy and all but this really turned the knob a bit to far

Apple opened the app store late because they really had no need for it and not much competition at the time....MS opened it right away due to the fact that the iPod touch was a competitor but the iPod will always beat the Zune (give me a flame if you want even though i have the iPod touch 3G and i am going to get the Zune HD) i think you should give Apple a break because you are saying the Zune HD is all that and what not...like if you werent into the iPods/iPhones once....

you might be getting this reply from one of the biggest Apple fanboys someone can imagine thats out there but can you just cut Apple some slack...Apple may have failed some upgrades like Snow Leopard didn't change much from Leopard,the iPod touch 3G didn't change much from the 2G,and the iPod Classic may have not changed much at all for a long time but can you really blame Apple for that as much as MS not changing the UI of the Zune

MS did a good thing releasing the Zune HD saving them from complete fails like Windows Vista,XP,X-Box 360 and what not but just please keep your ranting to yourself....we don't need to hear everything you need to say about the Zune....this is iPod touch Fans and most of us here like iPods so it really pisses off a majority of us here.....i ask you nicely...May you please stop ranting about how the Zune HD is all that and that Apple is crap....some of us don't think Apple is crap but you sir,just offend us Apple Fanboys :p

Please die. Oh and if you haven't noticed this is in the Competitors sections. Also how is XP a fail?

Please die. Oh and if you haven't noticed this is in the Competitors sections. Also how is XP a fail?

as i said in that post i am not the flame type and yes i noticed this was in the competitors section because i also put that in my post but i am just tired of him always protecting the Zune and dissing Apple...and XP is a big fail in my opinion thats why i upgraded from XP to Windows 7 soon going to move to a Macbook Pro :p

as i said in that post i am not the flame type and yes i noticed this was in the competitors section because i also put that in my post but i am just tired of him always protecting the Zune and dissing Apple...and XP is a big fail in my opinion thats why i upgraded from XP to Windows 7 soon going to move to a Macbook Pro :p

I hope to god you mean vista.

Lets not forget to mention the long load times and 15 - 30 second advertisements before you can play some of the games. I know someone on Twitter that got a 15 second car commercial before he could play one of his Zune HD games.

Apple opened their app store about 10 months after releasing the iPod touch. Don't even bother trying to give me some of your crap. Microsoft is exponentially ahead of where Apple was after releasing the iPod touch.

And Apple was the one of the first to bring something as big as the App Store into the PMP market. Of course Microsoft is going to me exponentially ahead of Apple when the App Store first came out because now, the technology is nearly finished to do such a thing, whereas when the App Store was first release, it was, well, first released and had various problems.

Lets not forget to mention the long load times and 15 - 30 second advertisements before you can play some of the games. I know someone on Twitter that got a 15 second car commercial before he could play one of his Zune HD games.

Someone posted that. And it was really the only relevant article posted in this thread. Since nothing else was Zune, but WiMo.

Apple was not the first. Not by a longshot. All they did was capitalise on the prime oppurtunity to create a store like that: 30 million devices all with exactly the same software.

Apple was not the first. Not by a longshot. All they did was capitalise on the prime oppurtunity to create a store like that: 30 million devices all with exactly the same software.

But has one been nearly as successful as the App Store? Not by a longshot. ;)

wow microsoft just when you where gaining my respect!

I hope to god you mean vista.

nope i meant windows xp...never used vista for long periods of time and it seemed cool...i was only able to use it at stores and my cousins laptop (i only used my cousins laptop once and not that long of a time) but i am alright with windows 7...untill i get a mac :p

In reality Snow Leopard is less secure than windows, but is safer only because no one really targets it.

Links here (http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/09/16/hacker-snow-leopard-less-secure-than-windows) and here (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/security-snow-leopard/)

nope i meant windows xp...never used vista for long periods of time and it seemed cool...i was only able to use it at stores and my cousins laptop (i only used my cousins laptop once and not that long of a time) but i am alright with windows 7...untill i get a mac :p

If XP is such a big fail, why is it still so damned popular?

If XP is such a big fail, why is it still so damned popular?

Mainly because it's cheap and came on every PC from 2002 until 2006. But Windows 7 is gonna bring back glory for Microsoft :)

Mainly because it's cheap and came on every PC from 2002 until 2006. But Windows 7 is gonna bring back glory for Microsoft :)

exactly and also its the best virus magnet ever...talk about restoring your computer more then 10 times :p

exactly and also its the best virus magnet ever...talk about restoring your computer more then 10 times :p

Don't download dumb shit then. Problem is with the user not the OS.

Don't download dumb shit then. Problem is with the user not the OS.

hey i got a family to support that all use this computer...i don't download stuff much anymore but my little sister,little brother,and mom do....and the OS sucks PERIOD!!!

i am doing much more better on windows 7 with the same stuff i had on windows xp [a lot you can imagine] and i have no need for restoring it plus its faster....another plus....i have been studying everything there is to know about technology mostly computers for over 3 years now and have you did any of that....i don't think so....Windows XP is the most vulnerable to viruses than any OS due to viruses targeting Windows XP the most!

the OS sucks because ive used Linux OS,Mac OS,and OS above Windows XP [all more then once and long periods] and all are good except for that one and only Windows XP!!! WINDOWS XP IS A BIG FAIL!

hey i got a family to support that all use this computer...i don't download stuff much anymore but my little sister,little brother,and mom do....and the OS sucks PERIOD!!!

i am doing much more better on windows 7 with the same stuff i had on windows xp [a lot you can imagine] and i have no need for restoring it plus its faster....another plus....i have been studying everything there is to know about technology mostly computers for over 3 years now and have you did any of that....i don't think so....Windows XP is the most vulnerable to viruses than any OS due to viruses targeting Windows XP the most!

the OS sucks because ive used Linux OS,Mac OS,and OS above Windows XP [all more then once and long periods] and all are good except for that one and only Windows XP!!! WINDOWS XP IS A BIG FAIL!

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hey i got a family to support that all use this computer...i don't download stuff much anymore but my little sister,little brother,and mom do....and the OS sucks PERIOD!!!

i am doing much more better on windows 7 with the same stuff i had on windows xp [a lot you can imagine] and i have no need for restoring it plus its faster....another plus....i have been studying everything there is to know about technology mostly computers for over 3 years now and have you did any of that....i don't think so....Windows XP is the most vulnerable to viruses than any OS due to viruses targeting Windows XP the most!

the OS sucks because ive used Linux OS,Mac OS,and OS above Windows XP [all more then once and long periods] and all are good except for that one and only Windows XP!!! WINDOWS XP IS A BIG FAIL!

I have been using xp on a 98' hp for about 7 years and have not had to restore it yet, and my whole family uses it.

I have also been using vista for 2+ years on a 2007 hp and have yet to have to restore and Ive downloaded tons of stuff and have lots of apps and its still running strong.

People just have to learn to use computers right.

I have been using xp on a 98' hp for about 7 year and have not had to restore it yet, and my whole family uses it.

I have also been using vista for 2+ years on a 2007 hp and have yet to have to restore and Ive downloaded tons of stuff and have lots of apps and its still running strong.

People just have to learn to use computers right.

OMG nobody knows how to read the whole post....i said ive been studying one computers for over 3 years with the best of the best [professionals] ....

i use vista on one of my desktops and not had to restore it nor has that happened with my desktop with Windows 7...in the other hand XP gives me the biggest problems...plus its the ugliest UI ever....even this is better looking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Win2000.png

People just have to learn to use vista :p

this is getting way off topic.

this is a good blog about microsoft and the app store.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/08/15/why-cant-microsoft-develop-software-for-zune-hd/

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thank you :p
~hits everybody who is all jumping on meh with the shovel~

thank you :p
~hits everybody who is all jumping on meh with the shovel~

Shovel is for Digging holes. Not murder.

Shovel is for Digging holes. Not murder.

well you probably had not seen movies back in the day,have you?

exactly and also its the best virus magnet ever...talk about restoring your computer more then 10 times :p
Windows is so much more secure than OSX, that's been established before. It's just a huge target due to it being the majority of the OS market. It's got nothing to do with Microsoft.

Windows is so much more secure than OSX, that's been established before. It's just a huge target due to the majority of users. It's got nothing to do with Microsoft.

I think it has that many users BECAUSE its a Microsoft product (Windows).

Windows is so much more secure than OSX, that's been established before. It's just a huge target due to the majority of users. It's got nothing to do with Microsoft.

i don't have anything against Microsoft its just I'm against Windows XP and OSX is less secure because not much people target it :p

i don't have anything against Microsoft its just I'm against Windows XP and OSX is less secure because not much people target it :p

Of course. If you could make a PMP virus. What would you target, an ipod or zune?

Think from a virus creator's point of view.

Of course. If you could make a PMP virus. What would you target, an ipod or zune?

Think from a virus creator's point of view.

iPod FTW

more people use them :p

iPod FTL

iPod FTL

he is talking about a hackers point of view which will most likely be iPod due to the reason more people use it....i see everyone at my school have iPods and none have a Zune what so ever

iPod FTW :p

No I'm not the only reason iPods are popular are that they started off first and have the better advertisement.

he is talking about a hackers point of view which will most likely be iPod due to the reason more people use it....i see everyone at my school have iPods and none have a Zune what so ever

iPod FTW :p

including my friend's and my brother's, I have seen three zunes. don't even care for counting the countless ipods.

Back on topic though. Zune's app store or whatever we are calling it may be pathetic now, but when they finally start letting outside developers develop for it it may pick up some slight steam(not ipod level of course).

I bet it will be better quality, however.

All Microsoft needs to do is get Devs into it, like Apple did around March 2008, so when the store does roll out theres something to look at :)

All Microsoft needs to do is get Devs into it, like Apple did around March 2008, so when the store does roll out theres something to look at :)

exactly right....right now there are apps in the Zune's app store but not much...they are all free too :p

including my friend's and my brother's, I have seen three zunes. don't even care for counting the countless ipods.

Back on topic though. Zune's app store or whatever we are calling it may be pathetic now, but when they finally start letting outside developers develop for it it may pick up some slight steam(not ipod level of course).

How would you count something that is countless?

How would you count something that is countless?

Oxymoron i guess. I actually thought about that sentence for a good few minutes.

For the most part, yes. While Apple takes more chances with new design, most of what Microsoft does is reactionary. Xbox Live was a reaction to xband and sega.net. Windows 7 is a reaction to OSX Leopard, the Zune was a reaction to the iPod, Bing is a reaction to Google, so on and so forth.

When Microsoft tries to overtake a market, they will introduce new features with their product that the competition doesnt have, the thing is, most of these features are not very well fleshed out, or vital.

The "squirt songs to other zune users" feature on the original Zune was a failure. I never ran into a single Zune user out in the wild, to even have a chance to use it.

The new Zune has HD output, but nobody is going to use it because it requires a $90 dock. It has the ability to stream unlimited music, but nobody wants to pay $180 a year for music they can't keep. It has HD radio, but not many radio stations utilize it, and the difference between analogue is slight.

And the Zune has so far always been too little too late. If the Zune HD came out at the same time as the original Touch, it could have possibly been an iPod killer. But it seems like MS always has to wait for Apple to make their move, until they release their product.

To me, the Zune exists only for the purpose of a decent non apple option in the MP3 market.
Zii Egg?

I love the admob adds i keep getting about this.... it's funny cause i'm on my ipod.

Somehow I see this heading towards the same fate as the Zune...

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Somehow I see this heading towards the same fate as the Zune...

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Sweet. I love playing games or listening to music in the toilet!

FUND IT!

The app store should have launched with at least ONE killer app. An app that really utilizes the tegra, and has the content and polish equal to a DS or PSP game.

With all the devs they already worked with on XBL arcade titles, this should have definitely been possible.