So I just saw this commercial grilling Apple on stuff the iPhone (or iPod?) doesn't have. I looked at the website and saw it's just another Verizon phone, but it looks pretty cool. Check it out at droiddoes.com

Yea, it's pretty old. It's a good commercial in my opinion :p

I don't see where they're going with it, most end users wont really care about some of that stuff (open development for example). This being proved with the mass success of the iPhone, even without these features. I have to say the Droid does look pretty awesome though

I think most users do care about the things listed there, that's why people jailbreak; to customize, run simultaneous apps, open development. Basically Apple doesn't allow any 3rd party apps, the apps HAVE to be accepted into the App store, and I'm assuming "Droid does".

They are using this Droid (Verizons series of Android phones) as the Ultimate 'geek' phone.

They will go after the end user with others, like the Droid Eris, and such.

i have Verizon, and id really like to have a jailbroken iPod touch and just a regular old phone actually. Nothing can beat an iPhone, all phones are just different.

i have Verizon, and id really like to have a jailbroken iPod touch and just a regular old phone actually. Nothing can beat an iPhone, all phones are just different.

Why can't anything beat the iPhone? Without having used the phone, it looks like it already does. As with all phones, there could be improvements. The keyboard could be a little better and there are probably many other things that will be improved in the coming years. They did an amazing job keeping the Droid as thin as it is. About the same thickness as an iPhone but with a slide out keyboard.

Yeah, as far as a smartphone goes, this beats the iPhone (which isn't really a full fledged smartphone...)

THIS^^^ Te amo JKK.

I think the iPhone will meets it match.

DROID DOES NOT BEAT THE iPhone, NOT BY A LONG SHOT (feel free to flame, but I'm going to be wise this time and ignore anyone that thinks otherwise)

DROID DOES NOT BEAT THE iPhone, NOT BY A LONG SHOT (feel free to flame, but I'm going to be wise this time and ignore anyone that thinks otherwise)

Well its all a matter of opinion. You (and many others) may like everything the iPhone has to offer and none of its shortcomings effect you, but others may not be happy with what the iPhone has to offer and may not be happy with its shortcomings (it's lack of keyboard for example) and would much prefer the droid and android.

IMO i would prefer a droid over an iPhone because I am rather tired of the iPhone OS and having to be jailbroken just to customize it. I also am used to a physical keyboard and would feel much more comfortable with a physical keyboard. Another thing is that I just really like the openness of Android. But again, this is all a personal opinion.

Well its all a matter of opinion. You (and many others) may like everything the iPhone has to offer and none of its shortcomings effect you, but others may not be happy with what the iPhone has to offer and may not be happy with its shortcomings (it's lack of keyboard for example) and would much prefer the droid and android.

IMO i would prefer a droid over an iPhone because I am rather tired of the iPhone OS and having to be jailbroken just to customize it. I also am used to a physical keyboard and would feel much more comfortable with a physical keyboard. Another thing is that I just really like the openness of Android. But again, this is all a personal opinion.

It's a good thing your not one of those people that charge at opinions. Your opinion is a good one and I like that (though I dissagree on some of it).

I personally don't like the commercial....

"iDont Customize..." except the iphone can be customized with winterboard and themes after jailbreaking

"iDont run simaultaneous apps..." yes the iphone can with backgrounder in cydia

"iDont run widgets" except the iphone is capable of running widgets after jailbreaking...

"iDont allo open development...." hello? have they never heard of cydia?

Either verizon is chosing to ignore the existance of the iphone jailbreaking community, or this commerical is false advertising at its finest

(in my opinion)

I personally don't like the commercial....

"iDont Customize..." except the iphone can be customized with winterboard and themes after jailbreaking

"iDont run simaultaneous apps..." yes the iphone can with backgrounder in cydia

"iDont run widgets" except the iphone is capable of running widgets after jailbreaking...

"iDont allo open development...." hello? have they never heard of cydia?

Either verizon is chosing to ignore the existance of the iphone jailbreaking community, or this commerical is false advertising at its finest

(in my opinion)

Um, Apple doesn't allow jailbreaking.. You can do all of that on Android without even modifying your device at all. They're taking shots at apple, who keep their device locked down.
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DROID DOES NOT BEAT THE iPhone, NOT BY A LONG SHOT (feel free to flame, but I'm going to be wise this time and ignore anyone that thinks otherwise)

Lol. Ignoring people that have an opinion that Is different than yours is wise? Since when? That just shows you can't back up anything you said. How is the iPhone better? How is the Droid not an iPhone killer?

I personally don't like the commercial....

"iDont Customize..." except the iphone can be customized with winterboard and themes after jailbreaking

"iDont run simaultaneous apps..." yes the iphone can with backgrounder in cydia

"iDont run widgets" except the iphone is capable of running widgets after jailbreaking...

"iDont allo open development...." hello? have they never heard of cydia?

Either verizon is chosing to ignore the existance of the iphone jailbreaking community, or this commerical is false advertising at its finest

(in my opinion)

Apple.....doesn't promote the jailbreaking community, and the jailbreaking community isn't competing with Verizon are they? Plus, if the platform is worth developing on I would imagine many of the Application developers and just developers plain for the iPhone may go over there as well or stay here, it's not written in stone, but all that can be done for the iphone app store wise has been done, unless Apple decides to allow more freedom which I doubt.

Lol. Ignoring people that have an opinion that Is different than yours is wise? Since when? That just shows you can't back up anything you said. How is the iPhone better? How is the Droid not an iPhone killer?

*Ignored* lol

^ This. Jailbreaking is not a feature of the iPhone. The Droid is more free than the iPhone (fact!) but beyond that, it's all opinion and preference.

Don't forget to judge the phone by what it does not who made it. Otherwise you're just reinforcing that fanboy stereotype.

And it's my opinion that Android is not quite there, but it's not too far away from it... :)

definition of "open development" plawks

Shiet!!! That commercial is prommissing (or how ever its spelled)

@Ultimate You seem to have a closed mind and nothing to back up your opinions. Putting caps lock on and saying the iPhone is better with absolutely no reasoning makes you look ignorant and it doesn't make the iPhone look good either. Just give some reasons and I will be a lot happier.

Lol. Ignoring people that have an opinion that Is different than yours is wise? Since when? That just shows you can't back up anything you said. How is the iPhone better? How is the Droid not an iPhone killer?
@Ultimate You seem to have a closed mind and nothing to back up your opinions. Putting caps lock on and saying the iPhone is better with absolutely no reasoning makes you look ignorant and it doesn't make the iPhone look good either. Just give some reasons and I will be a lot happier.

I said I was going to ignore people that will flame me not ignore people with different opinions. To tell the truth, I look down to people with different opinions then me because it not part of my problem, it's there opinion and they have the right to say what they want. I just simply said my opinion and there is no need of backing it up. If back up my opinion, things might get ugly and I don't want to get banned again. To tell the truth, Driod is up there but I don't believe it can beat the iPhone (it is close though,very). =P

definition of "open development" plawks

I THINK it's the ability to accept 3rd party apps. It doesn't have to be accepted by their app store. Kind of like.. the apps found in Cydia.

I THINK it's the ability to accept 3rd party apps. It doesn't have to be accepted by their app store. Kind of like.. the apps found in Cydia.

^ This.

I sold my iPod Touch for the Droid and can't wait! One of the cool things is that they have emulators on the Android Market. :D Super Mario here I come!

I said I was going to ignore people that will flame me not ignore people with different opinions. To tell the truth, I look down to people with different opinions then me because it not part of my problem, it's there opinion and they have the right to say what they want. I just simply said my opinion and there is no need of backing it up. If back up my opinion, things might get ugly and I don't want to get banned again. To tell the truth, Driod is up there but I don't believe it can beat the iPhone (it is close though,very). =P

That's right, nobody needs a reason. That's how this world works. That's why there isn't utter chaos outside of your home all the time. Oh wait, people do need reasons for things. Reasoning is a big part of life, but if you care not to share you reasons or if you have none at all, that's your loss. Everyone loses respect for you and people won't trust you. If you can't back up your opinion, you lose any argument/debate instantly.

Anyways, I think the Droid is better because of Android, it's keyboard, it's camera, it's openness, and the hardware in general. They've kept it thin even with a full slide out keyboard which is pretty nice. It has good build quality from what I've watched (reviews) and the weight, although pretty heavy, contributes to the good feeling of the device. I also prefer Verizon over AT&T but that's a personal preference so it might not affect everyone considering both devices.

Personally, as someone who's had an iPod Touch 1st, 2nd, and now 3rd gen, and Verizon as my carrier, I do believe I'll be buying this when I can get an upgrade.

As much as I love my env touch (actually got it as a replacement for my voyager when it broke for $50 on the release day) the OS can't compete with that of Android, the iPhone OS, or Windows Mobile (or whatever the Palm Pre OS is).

Also I've been itching to try out Android. But I think my number 1 reason why I'd never buy an iphone is the lack of a physical keyboard. My touch screen on my env and ipt both frustrate the hell out of me when I'm trying to type things. Bravo.

@Ultimate, I believe the popular phrase is "proof or gtfo"

Droid: It's not revolutionary if iPhone did almost all that three years ago, and basically everything two years ago.

It's yet another attempt by a second-rate company to try and beat the iPhone. LG tried it, Google tried it, now it's Motorola's turn to fail.

If someone honestly thinks that the Droid will even be spoken about one year from now, you need to look at past trends.

If a company came out with a phone that didn't totally rip off iPhone's design, and start attacking iPhone for minor flaws, I may consider buying it. But the tactics that Motorola and Verizon are using are both juvenile and will turn out to be a complete disaster.

Droid: It's not revolutionary if iPhone did almost all that three years ago, and basically everything two years ago.

It's yet another attempt by a second-rate company to try and beat the iPhone. LG tried it, Google tried it, now it's Motorola's turn to fail.

If someone honestly thinks that the Droid will even be spoken about one year from now, you need to look at past trends.

If a company came out with a phone that didn't totally rip off iPhone's design, and start attacking iPhone for minor flaws, I may consider buying it. But the tactics that Motorola and Verizon are using are both juvenile and will turn out to be a complete disaster.

^ This. Don't forget Samsung tried it too with the Samsung Instinct.

I think there is something wrong with you guys. This message is mostly directed toward jamil_d. First of all, nobody said it was a revolution. I think it's evolution and I don't think we have seen a revolution in quite a long time. The Droid is very good and it does do a lot of things that the iPhone doesn't. You should be saying it does everything the iPhone does and more. Sure, the iPhone can do some things that the Droid can't, but it goes both ways. The Droid hardware blows Apple's creation out of the water. Just admit it. With Android 2.0, the Droid really becomes a competitive device. It's a premier mobile OS and with many people getting tired of the iPhone OS, it's Android's time to gain market share.

I bet it will be spoken about a year from now. There will probably be next generation models and many firmware upgrades then too. Face it, this is no Samsung Instinct or LG Dare failure. It's much more than those cheap wannabes. Motorola is not your second-rate company and why would it even make a difference if they have produced a heavyweight contender? Oh yeah, I forgot that over half of the reason you guys buy Apple devices is Apple themselves, not the device. You want the glamorous holy grail of a company to have their logo on your device. Motorola, Verizon, and Google are great companies. None of them are one bit second-rate.

Next up, the Droid does not rip from the iPhones design. Better hardware, bigger screen, full sliding QWERTY keyboard at the same thickness as the iPhone. It also has a better camera, flash, and a replaceable battery. Those things sure don't seem to be ripped off of the iPhone.

Now who's racking up the points? Me.

Also, the Samsung was destined to fail. Why? It was running Windows Mobile (without a Snapdragon processor).

This is running Android. If it does fail, it will be for a completely different reason.

Verizon's popularity alone could back this device up very well. I'm very happy with their service coverage, and they have the best plans IMO.

As for the device, I'm currently happy with my iPod Touch. If the time comes where I get a new phone, I'll consider it.

Droid: It's not revolutionary if iPhone did almost all that three years ago, and basically everything two years ago.

The iPhone didn't have 3rd party apps, 3G, video camera, MMS, tethering and a lot more three years ago.

What matters is what it can do now not who did it first. Besides, Multi Touch was first explored by Microsoft in 2002, and shown off in 2005, so does that make the iPhone any less than it is?

The Droid hardware blows Apple's creation out of the water. Just admit it.

There is nothing to admit, I am truly in love with the iPhone OS.

the funny thing is, my iPhone does over half of those thing XD

the funny thing is, my iPhone does over half of those thing XD

Yeah, as soon as you've jailbroken it.

Which is something that not every user wants to do everytime he updates to a new firmware.

Oh, I don't dislike iPhone OS. In fact, I'm a fan.

I merely hate all of the glaring omissions and holes in the funtionality.

There is nothing to admit, I am truly in love with the iPhone OS.

I am literally laughing right now. Look what I said. I didn't even mention software (I prefer Android regardless), so why did you switch the conversation to software. You clearly admitted it right then and there that the Droid has better hardware and for many, better software as well. Way to dodge (unsuccessfully) another point I make. How's it like being on your heels?

A lot of his posts are pointless messages. I just block them out.

I am literally laughing right now at myself. Look what I said. I didn't even mention software (I prefer iPhone OS regardless), so why did you switch the conversation to software. You clearly admitted it right then and there that the iPhone has better hardware and for many, better software as well. Way to dodge (successfully) another point I make. How's it like being better then me?

You really know how to piss me off, huh? You have been pissing the fuck out of me since the times you started hating on apple (meaning since you have been putting your bullshit on these forums), what is wrong with Apple? TELL ME NOW! Plus, I can switch the conversation when I want so stop fucking around and tell me whats so bad about Apple?

You really know how to piss me off, huh? You have been pissing the fuck out of me since the times you started hating on apple (meaning since you have been putting your bullshit on these forums), what is wrong with Apple. TELL ME NOW! Plus, iI can switch the conversation when i want so stop fucking around and tell me whats so bad about Apple?

No GV Mobile.

No GV Mobile.

I do not need GV mobile. =P

I don't hate Apple. Many times I am angry with their restrictions and lack of transparency or acceptance, but I don't hate them. They have a lot of great products. What I do hate is when people blatantly post their opinions and don't stick around to defend them with factual information.

No GV Mobile.

What does that have to do with Apple? They don't provide GV Mobile. Nor do they have the obligation to.

What does that have to do with Apple? They don't provide GV Mobile. Nor do they have the obligation to.

True, but they denied it on the App Store.

Possibly because of AT&T.

True, but they denied it on the App Store.

Possibly because of AT&T.

And? Do the not have the right to? It's their App Store. They have a right to deny applications. Apple isn't owned by the Government.

I do not need GV mobile. =P

Meh, never said you did.

And? Do the not have the right to? It's their App Store. They have a right to deny applications. Apple isn't owned by the Government.

I understand that.

And, if it makes you feel any better, I knew that was going to be your counter argument.

I don't hate Apple. Many times I am angry with their restrictions and lack of transparency or acceptance, but I don't hate them. They have a lot of great products. What I do hate is when people blatantly post their opinions and don't stick around to defend them with factual information.

Actually, I am agreeing with you there on that one (about their restrictions and such), but no need to post things that make Apple look bad. I think you might have to get used to the last thing you said though, I tend to not back up my opinions. I have gotten banned from this website and permenatly banned from so many forums for explaining my opinions it's not even funny because of all the flaming, but that's the internet for you. BTW sorry, I went a little to far when I was pissed (I thought I was going to get banned today).

I can relate to that feeling. To be honest, most of my infractions have come from making crazy argumentative responses. As you can probably see, I have learned from those past outbreaks and have tamed down my responses. I've kept things cool, but at the same time I get my words and facts out. Just try to be calm in discussions. It makes you look better and it gets your point across much better.

Anyways, I really want to stop at a Verizon Wireless and test out a Droid. I might have to in a while because we have Alltel and Verizon is in the process of buying them out. Good phones for my family in the future!

but no need to post things that make Apple look bad.

Apple is a public company, not a fascist regime. People can form and express their own opinions on them.

I can relate to that feeling. To be honest, most of my infractions have come from making crazy argumentative responses. As you can probably see, I have learned from those past outbreaks and have tamed down my responses. I've kept things cool, but at the same time I get my words and facts out. Just try to be calm in discussions. It makes you look better and it gets your point across much better.

Anyways, I really want to stop at a Verizon Wireless and test out a Droid. I might have to in a while because we have Alltel and Verizon is in the process of buying them out. Good phones for my family in the future!

I guess I have to tone it down as well both in reality and on the internet because I do suffer anger issues and I only attended anger managment classes once before I completly disabondon it. Anyways I think I am going to check out the Droid just to see how it compares with my iPhone 3GS. Plus, it's from the best phone company (Verizon).

As I've already said, I'd just like to give another OS a try, I've heard good things and bad things about Android, but as far as I see I get the best of both worlds having both. And both will serve a completely different function. I'm also happy Verizon's finally getting a phone that can compete, I'm not a blackberry person.

After reading every post in this thread, I don't at all feel as though Germany is hating on Apple.

@Tes:the government doesn't own Apple...yet...(we just watched a crazy conspiracy theory vid in Gov today about Obama trying to take over the world)

@Ultimate (OT): your sig, it's spelled hysterically, sorry that was really bugging me.

@Ultimate (OT): your sig, it's spelled hysterically, sorry that was really bugging me.

Fixed.
BTW Thanks, I knew something looked wrong. =P

Time for a group hug? ;) Glad to see you sorted your differences out amicably and got the thread back on track.

A great example of iPtF hartmony :D

I THINK it's the ability to accept 3rd party apps. It doesn't have to be accepted by their app store. Kind of like.. the apps found in Cydia.

eeeehhh

Not a very good argument IMO. Just adds an entire new window for applications with malicious intent.

Time for a group hug? ;) Glad to see you sorted your differences out amicably and got the thread back on track.

A great example of iPtF hartmony :D

Haha, I've learned my lesson and am now trying to get others to argue with me in a peaceful way. That way nobody gets in trouble and we can have a good debate.

eeeehhh

Not a very good argument IMO. Just adds an entire new window for applications with malicious intent.

Well, the same could happen on iPod Touch/iPhones. Someone can make a malicious app, but because of the way Cydia handles the sources/packages, you're not going to add some random repo. And the main sources (Modmyi, BigBoss, Zottd) won't add the package unless it's safe (i think?) Also, you're not going to add an app without hearing good stuff of it.

Time for a group hug? ;) Glad to see you sorted your differences out amicably and got the thread back on track.

A great example of iPtF harmony :D

I like the feeling of iPtF harmony. :)

Droid release is Friday. Do any of you plan on trying it out? I think @UltimateiHacker94 should bring his 3GS or whatever Apple device he has to compare the two. I'd be anxious to hear what he has to say.

^Well I'd like to, but as my Verizon store is rather small and the release is pretty big I bet I won't be able to get a good look (Like when the Blackberry Storm came out). It'll be pretty tempting and kinda pointless since I can't get an upgrade on my phone until May.

I'd love to, but I upgraded last June...

Damn.

Anyways, its so cute to see you guys sharing the love!

i was looking into the Droid. imo, it seems like a well-advertised average touchscreen slider phone. i really dont see anything too special about it.
flame me....

i was looking into the Droid. imo, it seems like a well-advertised average touchscreen slider phone. i really dont see anything too special about it.
flame me....

Uh, first device to run Android 2.0? That's something special, I guess. :\

First Android device for Verizon.

Uh, first device to run Android 2.0? That's something special, I guess. :\

First Android device for Verizon.

Not really? The Eris is being released the same day.

So one of the first two...

So one of the first two...

And they already have 2.0 ROMs out, so not the first device :p

I guess it's special because it marks the shift of Motorola (and Sony) into the Android scene.

The Droid has a bigger screen than the iPhone. It has a 5 MP camera with dual flash LEDs. It has Android 2.0 and customization. It has a full slide-out QWERTY keyboard yet the device is about the same thickness as the iPhone. The build quality is excellent. It is on Verizon.

^thank you for a nice summary :)

one of my questions is, having never used an android device, can i use the music and stuff that i have on itunes? can i still use it with itunes? its a no-go if i can't use itunes :(

I'm almost positive that you can't sync it with iTunes. I think the Palm Pre was the last device that could but Apple slashed that with a quick update to iTunes. I'll research some ways around this for the Droid, but don't expect much.

I'm almost positive that you can't sync it with iTunes. I think the Palm Pre was the last device that could but Apple slashed that with a quick update to iTunes. I'll research some ways around this for the Droid, but don't expect much.

Seems like Android devices just sync with any Media player basically.

aww...i think thats gonna be too much of a pain :( ill stick with my trusty iphone ;)

I'm almost positive that you can't sync it with iTunes. I think the Palm Pre was the last device that could but Apple slashed that with a quick update to iTunes. I'll research some ways around this for the Droid, but don't expect much.

Seems like Android devices just sync with any Media player basically.

http://www.doubletwist.com/ They just recently update it with support for the Droid.

Okay Hellishness, I've used a program called doubleTwist before. It's pretty good and they support a large amount of devices including Blackberries, Android devices, PSPs, etc. I'm following them on Twitter and they said there is no support for the Droid. This would be a great option for you. No need to deal with Apple's restrictions.

Link: http://www.doubletwist.com/

Edit: Tes seems to have beat me to it. That's what I get for not refreshing.

^doubletwist seems nice....but at the end of the day, i will most likely be keeping my iphone. thanks for the info though! im positive it will help in the future :)

DoubleTwist syncs your iTunes library btw.

Anyway, if you're into Apps and Games, iPhone would be a great thing to stick to, since the library is so huge. (Whether or not the games and apps suck or are awesome is 100% opinion) The Android platform is still a bit new, but it'll grow. Android, I feel, is still more of a hobbyist's device. For someone who wants to play around with the innards or mod it and such. You can use it for daily and casual stuff, like the iPhone OS, but make the choice based on what you want to do. What you want from a device.

Yeah, no problem. I can't wait to get my hands on a Droid. I won't be purchasing it but I really hope the device is as good as it looks/performs in the reviews. I kind of wish it had a spring assisted slider but I'll have to try it out sometime and see if it makes that big of a difference.

DoubleTwist syncs your iTunes library btw.

Anyway, if you're into Apps and Games, iPhone would be a great thing to stick to, since the library is so huge. (Whether or not the games and apps suck or are awesome is 100% opinion) The Android platform is still a bit new, but it'll grow. Android, I feel, is still more of a hobbyist's device. For someone who wants to play around with the innards or mod it and such. You can use it for daily and casual stuff, like the iPhone OS, but make the choice based on what you want to do. What you want from a device.

Exactly. There is only a small amount of games on the Android market. If you're into those little mobile games, then the iPhone/iPod touch is for you. If you like modding/hacking/playing with your device, then an Android device would be better for that.

I own an iPhone and an Android phone, so I think I can give a pretty fair comparison of both based on Stock software alone (No jailbreaking or custom rom stuff) I'll start with the UI

The home screen
The home screen or springboard are different on ether. On the iphone you have a dock where you can keep 4 icons or applications that you use the most and want quick access to. You have 8 (I think its 8?) pages for the rest of your icons/applications 4x4. On android there is no dock, instead at the bottom of the screen you have a tray that slides up where all of your applications are located. You only have 3 pages (on stock android) for icons/applications. Thats about where the similarity's stop, other than the battery, time, signal strength at the top.

With the iphone, the home screen is really just a home for your applications. Not much else you can do. With android, you can add widget with useful information from time & date to weather to calendars to toggles for different settings and so on. Anything you want quick access to little bits of information can be added to the home screen in the for of a widget. To make up for its lack of available pages android has folders. You can organize your applications into different folders. If thats better than multiple pages of applications is a matter of opinion so I'll leave that up to you, but that widgets in my opinion give android an advantage.
So +1 for android

Notifications
On the iphone when you get a text, email, chat or anything your phone needs to and should tell you are presented with a pop-up box asking you ether to view it or go back to what your doing. With android just about every notification if displayed in the status bar. You slide the statusbar down to view the notifications or you can just ignore it and go about what your doing. Unlike the iPhone it will not completely stop you in your tracks when ever you get the phone need to tell you something with a pop-up box.
Another +1 for android.

Multitasking
There is none on the iphone period. You can not switch from one application to another without completely closing another application. Not so with android. You can freely switch back and forth from one application to the next without quitting an application. Great for when you get a text and want to respond and then go right back to what you were doing.
Another +1 for android

Built in applications
They are all basically the same. You have your phone, mail, maps, text and so on. They look different with ether phone, but, function the same. Aside from contacts on android syncing with you google account, both phone are pretty much equal as far as built in applications. There are a few differences, but mostly a matter of opinion. Like usability of applications and navigating settings. for the most part though they do the same thing. I'm giving this one to Android for the features in 2.0. Like facebook intigration in contacts and built in navigation application.
+1 for android

UI prettynessness??
Hands down the iphones OS wins the beauty contest. Its very well polished ad thought out. Everything matches and blends in well with the overall iPhone experience. Android on the other hand looks very, well, google. Its plain and boring. None of the UI elements blend very well and have alot of inconsistency.
+1 for iPhone.

Customization
There is none with the iphone. what you get is what you get, but it looks good. Android is filled with ways to make the phone your own. Themes, widgets, replacement home screens and lockcreens. Yes you can download new home screens and lockscreens for the Market, that not only make it look different but add new functionality.
+1 for android

Market vs AppStore
No question the AppStore has way more applications and the games are way better. Android it slim pickings with applications, but, with android developers are free no make just about whatever kind of applications they want. Applications that actually modify the OS and replace functionality of built in applications (ahem apple..), But you take a risk of installing applications that could be harmful. There is also no way to sync them to your computer and update the other than one by one. Oh you can side load applications to. Just load them onto your SD and install them. this ones a little tough to judge....
Iphone
+1 for better games
+1 for syncing
+1 for number of apps to choose from
-1 for no side loading
Android
+1 for freedom
+1 for side loading
-1 for no sync
-1 for sometimes iffy apps
-1 for no good games.

Media/Music
The music application on android suck. It just sucks. everything about it sucks. Navigating it is a chore and no desktop app to make getting music on and off the device and not video application. You have to download one from the market. The iPhone wins on this one, after all that was the original design of the phone. A Phone with a buit in iPod. The music application is easy to use and looks good doing it. It syncs with you desktop via iTunes (Like iTunes or not it beats the hell out of drag and drop!) and plays video. They both have built in apps to download music, but the iphones itunes app lets you buy and rent movies too.
++++++1 for iPhone!!

Hardware
Its pretty cut and dry in iPhone land. You can choose from a 3G iphone, 3GS or iPod touch. All pretty much the same except the 3G iphone still uses the old processor of yester year. Android phones all pretty much use the same processor as the 3G iphone, with the exception of the newer devices. You can take your pick of devices with or without keyboards, scroll ball or not, bigger screen or more pocket friendly smaller screens. Faster or slower and in a variety of price ranges.
+1 for androids variety

Most of my comparisons come from hands on experience with both and I tried to be as non biased as possible. I like both devices, but for different reasons. For me the Appstores game selection wins. I'm a casual gamer, so a psp is not for me and its not very portable if it doesn't fit in your pocket. Also the music player, video playback, movie downloads and syncing are unmatched. The iPod is the most popular portable media player for a reason and the iphone takes it to a new level. For everthing else android wins. If androird were to get games that even compare to the ones on the iphone and the media player is replaced with something remotely decent and had it own desktop app to make getting shit on and off my phone easier then it would be android all the way!

Yes a lot of the iPhones short comings can be over come with jailbreaking, but, apple doesn't like jailbreaking and is trying very very hard to make it go away. Though software, hardware and even trying to make it flat out illegal. Jailbreaking is a temporary fix until apple adds the functionality people get from it, open up more, fix jailbreaking for good via hardware or sftware or make it illegal. I think the last 2 are more likely.

And anyone can fix androids problems. Someone make a better media player and start making better games. Desktop client please. There are applications to do this already, but they are not very good. Media player also has a pretty good replacement on the market. Still it would be nice to have this stuff official.

Very well done (except the spelling of either). Although as Tes and others have pointed out above, DoubleTwist is an iTunes clone that works for Android phones etc, cuz that seemed to be a big problem for you.

EDIT: Btw Jim, why do you have an iPhone and an android phone?

looks convincing

God I want this. Or the HTC Eris.

Or a Palm Pre/Pixi. Or something.

too bad i got T-Mobile

God I want this. Or the HTC Eris.

Or a Palm Pre/Pixi. Or something.

Oh wow i forgot there were two, hm I'm a big fan of HTC, I think the Eris actually looks better.

I think the Droid looks better and it obviously has a lot better features hardware wise. It also runs Android 2.0 which is a major bonus. Obviously, you will get a lot less with half the price.

I think the Droid looks better
Subjective.
it obviously has a lot better features hardware wise.
With time comes newer, cheaper technology
It also runs Android 2.0 which is a major bonus.
I wouldn't say this is a major bonus, since more devices can run it. It may be one of the first, but it isn't necessarily a bonus. Even G1's can use 2.0. Obviously, you will get a lot less with half the price.
Time, cheaper, technology. Same as earlier.

Yeah, no problem. I can't wait to get my hands on a Droid. I won't be purchasing it but I really hope the device is as good as it looks/performs in the reviews. I kind of wish it had a spring assisted slider but I'll have to try it out sometime and see if it makes that big of a difference.

Hey Germany, do you have a Zune HD. If you do, I would really like to see a review of the Zune HD and Droid side-by-side. :)

Subjective.

With time comes newer, cheaper technology

I wouldn't say this is a major bonus, since more devices can run it. It may be one of the first, but it isn't necessarily a bonus. Even G1's can use 2.0.
Time, cheaper, technology. Same as earlier.

Tes: Was that neccessary? He was aware that that was his opinion. I'm sure.

Very well done (except the spelling of either). Although as Tes and others have pointed out above, DoubleTwist is an iTunes clone that works for Android phones etc, cuz that seemed to be a big problem for you.

EDIT: Btw Jim, why do you have an iPhone and an android phone?

Thanks! Yea, I'm not a very good speller to begin with add typing really fast and looking over my sholder at work and yea....

I actually have two iphones: ) I got a good deal on the second. Couldn't turn it down. I'm selling one and keeping the other for games. I like android so I bought an android phone.

Plus I'm going back to school for coding probably in January and the first thing I'm learning is Java. Android apps are mainly Java so it'll be handy. After that its everything C so keeping an iphone for that.

Tes: Was that neccessary? He was aware that that was his opinion. I'm sure.

Just balancing it out.

Just balancing it out.

Okay then. In that case, that is fine. Balancing out his small dislike for anything Apple.

Jim really got me going on the Droid, ill have to look into it more :)

Jim really got me going on the Droid, ill have to look into it more :)

It is quite fun to mess around with. I enjoyed rooting it and flashing new ROMs. :)

lol

no it doesn't :D

lol

no it doesn't :D

No what doesn't?

^I think it was in reference to the OP, it being the new droid phone, doesn't referring to it looking good.

"No it doesn't" is a double negative technically, and as most of us know two negatives make a positive.

I personally don't think it looks all that good, but at least it has a QWERT keyboard and Android OS (The life saver for the phone even though I don't like the OS much neither have a i tried it). =P

I personally don't think it looks all that good, but at least it has a QWERT keyboard and Android OS (The life saver for the phone even though I don't like the OS much neither have a i tried it). =P
One subjective opinion and one opinion based on ignorance.

Just pointing something out.

Well I can't wait to see what will become of the future.

quick question... why is android so special? i heard someone say that android doesnt need a "jailbreak" it comes "jailbreakoken" straight out of the box.. does that mean it allows a lot of customization?

confused lol

quick question... why is android so special? i heard someone say that android doesnt need a "jailbreak" it comes "jailbreakoken" straight out of the box.. does that mean it allows a lot of customization?

confused lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

A regular user doesn't care about any of those things.

Then why is jailbreaking so popular?

A regular user doesn't care about any of those things.

The reason people jailbreak is to customize their device to their liking. And Apple doesn't allow that, but Droid does. You may not care about customization, or you may just enjoy the look that comes with it, but many people like to make it their own.

Tes, I'd appreciate it if you didn't take my quotes out of context. I really don't need that crap going around. And yes, when somebody posts something saying things like "personally" or "in my opinion", we don't need you to point out that it is subjective. We know that. Sorry if I seem mad, but I'm just trying to keep things straight here.

One subjective opinion and one opinion based on ignorance.

Just pointing something out.

My opinion isn't based on ignorance. I was going to try out the Droid, like I said earlier in this thread. =P

Tes, I'd appreciate it if you didn't take my quotes out of context. I really don't need that crap going around. And yes, when somebody posts something saying things like "personally" or "in my opinion", we don't need you to point out that it is subjective. We know that. Sorry if I seem mad, but I'm just trying to keep things straight here.

You still need to tame that temper some. Tes sometimes rubs people up the wrong way. You've been around here long enough to know this.

quick question... why is android so special? i heard someone say that android doesnt need a "jailbreak" it comes "jailbreakoken" straight out of the box.. does that mean it allows a lot of customization?

confused lol

It does allow for a lot of customization out of the box. The things that people jailbreak there iPhones for can be done on android with zero hacking.

Android phones are not really jailbroken out of the box. No Android phone (But the dev phones you get from google) have root access out of the box, but, you really only need root on android to flash new roms and boot menus. Most apps you download from the market that need root (like apps to overclock the phone and things of that nature) ask permission to get root and you have to decide to give it root or not.

It does allow for a lot of customization out of the box. The things that people jailbreak there iPhones for can be done on android with zero hacking.

Android phones are not really jailbroken out of the box. No Android phone (But the dev phones you get from google) have root access out of the box, but, you really only need root on android to flash new roms and boot menus. Most apps you download from the market that need root (like apps to overclock the phone and things of that nature) ask permission to get root and you have to decide to give it root or not.

In other words; It doesn't need to be hacked unless you are doing crazy stuff.

It does allow for a lot of customization out of the box. The things that people jailbreak there iPhones for can be done on android with zero hacking.

Android phones are not really jailbroken out of the box. No Android phone (But the dev phones you get from google) have root access out of the box, but, you really only need root on android to flash new roms and boot menus. Most apps you download from the market that need root (like apps to overclock the phone and things of that nature) ask permission to get root and you have to decide to give it root or not.

You don't have to root your phone to use that overclock thing from the market? I never knew that.

So has anyone got a hands on yet? I would but I don't have an opportunity this weekend.

It's nice to see stuff on google that I actually care about!
http://static-cache.ipodtouchfans.com/imgcache3/994492d03affa9787ec810c29a1c10fc.png?orig_url=http ://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu181/VinceWalker/Screenshot2009-11-06at120404PM.png

So has anyone got a hands on yet? I would but I don't have an opportunity this weekend.

Also this release got google's attention!
http://static-cache.ipodtouchfans.com/imgcache3/994492d03affa9787ec810c29a1c10fc.png?orig_url=http ://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu181/VinceWalker/Screenshot2009-11-06at120404PM.png

That's because it's a Google phone, like the G1.

What do you mean get their attention?

I bought it. Its awesome

Review please?

Well still...not everything gets google's attention...except for Sesame Street's 40th anniversary for a freakin week.

What do you mean get Google's attention? Who do you think developed Android? It's partially their device, so how would it get their attention when they are already focused on it.

What do you mean get their attention?

That's what I'm wondering.

I bought it. Its awesome

Sweet, you are lucky. Mind posting some pictures and telling us some good and bad things about the device from your brief use so far. Exciting.

I bought it. Its awesome

Pics and tell us how the keyboard is please. :)

I don't expect the keyboard to be exceptional, but I hope it's not too bad. :\

"Droid" is a trademark of Lucasfilm Ltd

:D

Since when has that ever stopped anyone lol?

@Germany/TDG happy now? it's like it never happened...

PLEASE post some user thoughts!

Reviews I've seen do not favor the Droid's keyboard. Saying it's Flush makes it not very tactile. Other than that, it's a neat device. 6 Hour battery life, says Verizon/Moto.

6 Hour battery life, says Verizon/Moto.
wow...

wow...
Is that a good wow or a bad wow.

Is that a good wow or a bad wow.
im not sure. in between.

I didn't like the way the Droid looks at first, but, its growing on me. Its the complete opposite of the current phone design trend. Everyone is making round sleek smooth devices, but, the Droid is the complete opposite. Square, sharp corners. An almost Retro look and the gold trim, no other manufacture would even dare try that.

Kinda makes iphones and pre's look feminine.

I didn't like the way the Droid looks at first, but, its growing on me. Its the complete opposite of the current phone design trend. Everyone is making round sleek smooth devices, but, the Droid is the complete opposite. Square, sharp corners. An almost Retro look and the gold trim, no other manufacture would even dare try that.

Kinda makes iphones and pre's look feminine.
i kind of agree with that. it just looks bolder than others.

Love. Droid. Must. Destroy. My. Env2. Ahora!

Can the Droid be used as a non data phone? I dont have a data plan.

Love. Droid. Must. Destroy. My. Env2. Ahora!

Can the Droid be used as a non data phone? I dont have a data plan.

I believe it can, but you're going to need a sim with a data plan to sign into your Google account when you first start up your phone. Unless it lets you connect to wifi before that.

so heres my opinion.. i have an android phone.. no its not the "droid" its a my touch.. so here goes.. as far as the phone goes its pretty nice.. i dont really think its any beter then the iphone but it is pretty clear. As far as android apps go well im not impressed with the "app market" There is so few apps that are worth anything. I know this will change as time goes but it also seems like the higher end apps for the iphone will never make it to android.. i personally use alot of medical apps that cost me an arm and a leg.. and i cant find any of them for my touch. Once again i know this may change. So android is pretty cool and the droid does seem pretty sweet but FOR ME being able to touch the screen and go right to an anatomy chart or an IV drip calculator all while being able to call a doc from the back of an ambulance is what i really need.. Now for the the actual touch screen.. well it just sux compared to the iphone or ipod.. not as smooth and if you think the it sux on the iphone you'll hate it on the android platforms.. everyone i've touched hs felt the same..
anyway just my opinion..

wow...

Same thing I said when I read it. =P

I believe it can, but you're going to need a sim with a data plan to sign into your Google account when you first start up your phone. Unless it lets you connect to wifi before that.

It's verizon, no sims. unless i misunderstood something.

6 hour battery? is that just being on? Or six hours of talk time or internet or music or what? Cuz I charge my phone once every 3 days, but all I do is text (quite a bit).

The droid requires a mandatory $30 data plan. You wont get one from verizon unless you buy the data plan.

It's verizon, no sims. unless i misunderstood something.

6 hour battery? is that just being on? Or six hours of talk time or internet or music or what? Cuz I charge my phone once every 3 days, but all I do is text (quite a bit).

According to Motorola (http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-DROID-US-EN.alt):

up to 385 min.
USAGE TIME (CONTINUOUS)*

*. All talk and standby times are quoted in Digital Mode, and are approximate. Battery performance depends on network configuration, signal strength, operating temperature, features selected, and voice, data and other application usage patterns.

The droid requires a mandatory $30 data plan. You wont get one from verizon unless you buy the data plan.

Good thing that doesn't stop me, I always buy phones with unlimited data plans. I'm not going to get it though because I have 2 phones ATM.

Kinda makes iphones and pre's look feminine.

That's what I have always thought without even comparing them to other devices. They are some wussy designs that scratch/dent so easily. Industrial for the win.

Yeah seriously. The Droid is a serious device, while the iPhone (and Pre) are beautiful.

(see the bold/italic?)

Still though... I'm all for webOS over this. I may have an obsession with the underdog (Palm).

Yeah seriously. The Droid is a serious device, while the iPhone (and Pre) are beautiful.

Agreed.

Yeah seriously. The Droid is a serious device, while the iPhone (and Pre) are beautiful.

I definitely say this would be correct, if you use it, you know your using a device that holds nothing back, it runs when you tell it to, it keeps everything organized, and it makes things easier to find.

Replace serious with masculine and I agree 100%. Haha.

Yeah seriously. The Droid is a seriously masculine device, while the iPhone (and Pre) are beautiful.

(see the bold/italic?)

Still though... I'm all for webOS over this. I may have an obsession with the underdog (Palm).


Better, Germany?:p

Perfect JKK.

Hmmm... Why are we comparing this Droid to me?

Kidding aside, I want one. Really really want one.

But then again, I really want a Pre as well (even if it is just beautiful...).

It's verizon, no sims. unless i misunderstood something.

6 hour battery? is that just being on? Or six hours of talk time or internet or music or what? Cuz I charge my phone once every 3 days, but all I do is text (quite a bit).

Oh, right, forgot about Verizon. I was thinking about AT&T. :\

Hmmm... Why are we comparing this Droid to me?

Kidding aside, I want one. Really really want one.

But then again, I really want a Pre as well (even if it is just beautiful...).

Me too. I want both the Droid and Pre..

Haha, I'm in the same spot as you Stick_Man and JKK, I really want both a pre and a droid. My dad and good friend are both getting a droid. It'll be so much fun, since my friend has always let me use her phone. So I'm gonna be a happy man. =)

Haha, I'm in the same spot as you Stick_Man and JKK, I really want both a pre and a droid. My dad and good friend are both getting a droid. It'll be so much fun, since my friend has always let me use her phone. So I'm gonna be a happy man. =)

Your lucky... My friends think a phone is amazing if it has a touch screen...

For example, my friend got a Samsung (or was it LG?) featurephone today, and everyone was saying how it is better than the iPhone.

As they watched the phone scroll jerkily...

Your lucky... My friends think a phone is amazing if it has a touch screen...

For example, my friend got a Samsung (or was it LG?) featurephone today, and everyone was saying how it is better than the iPhone.

As they watched the phone scroll jerkily...

Yeah, I have an LG env touch, it's a nice phone as a feature phone, but compared to any smart phone, it's crap. but yes, I would count myself lucky as the fact that I end up recommending the phones to my family, everyone in my family has a phone I recommended. But yes, I can't wait until they upgrade. Especially since it's a phone they will actually be happy with.

I'm in the same spot as Stick_Man,JKK,and nickswitz. I want A Palm Pre and a Droid to go with my Samsung Instinct and iPhone 3GS (That would be the ultimate speed test). =P

Yeah, it would, Instict would lose miserably, unless it's the newer one, then it might stand a chance. Maybe.

I want the Palm Pre to get an update, focusing on speed and stability, as well as battery.

Then, release a 'media device' version that runs webOS.

Or, perhaps an internet tablet... I can see webOS being great for that.

Yeah, it would, Instict would lose miserably, unless it's the newer one, then it might stand a chance. Maybe.

My Instinct is a laughing stock compared to my iPod touch and iPhone (I have the old, rectangle Instinct).

My Instinct is a laughing stock compared to my iPod touch and iPhone (I have the old, rectangle Instinct).

Wasn't that the first iPhone 'killer?'

The first iPhone 'killer' for the first iPhone, it shys in comparison to any of the recent cell phones.

Wasn't that the first iPhone 'killer?'

I think it was. There was lots of ads that said the Instinct kills the iPhone, but it doesn't even come close to an iPhone 2G.

I think it was. There was lots of ads that said the Instinct kills the iPhone, but it doesn't even come close to an iPhone 2G.

Which didn't come close to the iPhone 3G, which didn't come close to the Palm Pre, which came somewhere near the iPhone 3G[S], which is up there with the Droid...

Wow, tis getting confusing...

Yeah, think of this in ten years, It'll be about 10 more lines of stuff back and forth, I guarantee.

Yeah, think of this in ten years, It'll be about 10 more lines of stuff back and forth, I guarantee.

By then, the iPhone/iPod touch and iPhone OS will suck. I bet Andriod is going to take over the market and slap the iPhone OS right in the face.

Maybe, or maybe all of it will advance so quickly in the next few years that they will all be amazing and be at the point were the base is pretty much the same just with differing UI's on them.

Or you may very well be right, I think there will probably be a competitor that will beat out the iPhone and Android sometime...

Palm, center stage!


Sorry. I might be a fanboy...

I think palm will go very far with the Palm WebOS, but I really don't think that WebOS will last for 10 years, I hazard to say that I don't think the iPhone OS we know today will be in any way similar to the one that will be around in 10 years, except it's production by Apple, if it even exists in 10 years.

Since when has that ever stopped anyone lol?

@Germany/TDG happy now? it's like it never happened...

Just informing you... The OHA (Android's developing team) is led by Google, accompanied by HTC, Intel, Motorola, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments, Samsung, LG, T-Mobile, Nvidia and others. It doesn't need to get their attention.

Android might not be better than the iPhone right now, but in the long run Android will win with its open platform.

Yeah, but the thing is, sooner or later if Apple wants to dream of being in the running, it will have to make it much more open, so they may end up making it more open for development and customization...

Yeah, but the thing is, sooner or later if Apple wants to dream of being in the running, it will have to make it much more open, so they may end up making it more open for development and customization...

I don't think that's going to happen.

Yeah, I don't have a whole lot of faith in Apple being more open, but you know, one can imagine.

Android might not be better than the iPhone right now, but in the long run Android will win with its open platform.

Open-ness might not be the best thing for any platform. You can be open, but being too open could lead to your own detriment. Look at Linux. It's been open almost since inception. But how much market and mindshare does it have? How well has it proliferated into people's homes and computers? Not very much huh? Look at the Android devices that are out right now. How different they are, how their UI is modified. Sure Android is going to gain market share more and more, but that's going to end up harming it. So many different devices to develop for, so different in so many ways. Developing an App for it might not work for each and every device that comes out, developers won't really like that. Which is what makes the iPhone OS so successful. It's uniform.

Yeah, but the thing is, sooner or later if Apple wants to dream of being in the running, it will have to make it much more open, so they may end up making it more open for development and customization...

Yeah, I don't have a whole lot of faith in Apple being more open, but you know, one can imagine.

The iPhone OS IS open for development. ANYONE can develop for it. The App Store is the only part that is closed but ANYONE can develop for the iPhone OS. Apple does not need to enable all that other stuff like customization to boost sales and increase mindshare. They can keep doing what they're doing because lots of people like what they do. Its stable, its fast, its simple, it delivers. What they do reaches to everyone and anyone that wants to use it. Only the more sophisticated user (Like us Geeks) would want anything more (Jailbreaking, Android, Open) because we know about it, we know what it's capable of. But not everyone needs that.

I have to agree with Teslanaut's point of being open... I would also point out that an Operating System being 'open' doesn't really entice normal (read: Non-geeks, like us) to buy a phone. They'd rather have an Apple logo on the back.

Yes, it just shows the stupidity of some people. The iPhone is great, but anymore, there are some alternatives that are just as great.

Yeah, BTW, sorry about the development, it was me being stupid, but yes, openness can be bad, but I know that more and more people are wanting to jailbreak so that they can theme their iPod's, so I do have to say that more "non-geeks" are getting into the jailbreaking scene.

As well as about the openness like Android, however, since Android I've been seeing more and more people getting into Linux, I've seen in my school at least, and it seems that the next generation of kids are liking the underdog more than the top notch high grade, super marketed platforms.

This isn't simply a competition between phones. It's a competition of the OS's.

This isn't simply a competition between phones. It's a competition of the OS's.

Thanks for the information Mr. Obvious, BTW Epic Bump.

very epic indeed

Look at Linux. It's been open almost since inception. But how much market and mindshare does it have? How well has it proliferated into people's homes and computers?


what do you think runs most of the home routers out there?

lottery terminals run linux

the vast majority of home electronics run some form of embedded linux


it's market share in the PC world is still pretty small, much like Apple

sorry- firstly, the droid is a phone. not an ipod. 2nd - it is a piece of shit. and last - i[hone is open source ( basically ) if u JB it.

sorry- firstly, the droid is a phone. not an ipod. 2nd - it is a piece of shit. and last - i[hone is open source ( basically ) if u JB it.

Well, I don't agree with your thoughts on the DROID.

First, its easily the best Android phone on the market, at the moment. That does say something, as the only other phones that I think compete with it are the iPhone 3G[S], and perhaps the Palm Pre (or maybe Pixi).

Second, the iPhone is basically open-source when jailbroken, but it isn't in the same way that Android is.

Android is open-source from the beginning; Google made it to be that way. You have to hack the iPhone OS to make it semi-open source, so it is automatically different from that.

Still, both phones are good. They have their ups, and they have their downs.

Some prefer iPhone, some would prefer the DROID.

Yeah, I have a question iPhondTouch3G, What makes you say its a piece of shit?

What's the iPhondTouch?

What's the iPhondTouch?

You might want to look in teh thread below this...
There are some comments you might want to question

sorry... i just think its ugly and fat. it has really bad design.

So now if it looks bad its shit?

i think the droid is cool. nothing wrong with it.

sorry... i just think its ugly and fat. it has really bad design.

It's the same thickness as the iPhone and it has a slide out keyboard which is remarkable for a phone that thin.

I thought the droid was slightly thicker?

Anyways I prefer the Eris over the Droid, but I'll be waiting for the HTC Passion in January (hopefully), it'll probably be renamed to include the droid moniker. HTC Droid Passion, HTC Droid Dragon (chip name), or w/e.

The Droid is slightly thicker but it's nearly the same. We don't have to be within a tenth of an inch do we?

I personally like the Eris better, only because it seems to have a much better keyboard on screen than the Motorola does.