With Apples Appstore and 2.0 software update for the iPod Touch and iPhone to be released with a the next month, a immense competition shall begin between Appstore and Installer. Both have different sides:

Installer: Up and running with many applications for current public software
Appstore: Beta, and not released to the public, and no current Apps.

One over time will kill the other. No doubt about that. Lets look at the full view of the pro's and con's

Installer:
Pros:Lots of Apps, public, running, free.
Cons:Requires hack, not many very powerful dev people or teams on the job of creating apps, crumbling because of framework change from 1.1.4 to 2.0

Appstore:
Pros:In actual Apple Firmware, many powerful dev teams such as EA, easier to use dev tool, current with frameworks.
Cons:Not public, cost money to even get firmware.

Users already jailbroken may get left behind because of no applications to date are capable to install apps on 2.0 Firmware except Appstore. For this reason, there will eventually be an amazing app in Appstore that will cause at least half of the 1.1.4 jailbroken community to convert 2.0

Bigboss' take on the 2.0 firmware at

http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65673

So the questions are:
Will Appstore be as popular as Installer?
Will Appstore kill Installer?
Will Installer overpower Appstore?

I want to throw gasoline on you and light you on Fire so I can add to the carbon dioxide on the planet to further global warming so the world will finally go bye bye.

Dev teams Will not Die.

Developers Will not Die.

Chances are...

Installer will Co-exist with the AppStore.

Chances are...

Installer will Co-exist with the AppStore.

Psh, there is no "Chance". Installer will co-exist with Installer. Psh, do you think that people are just going to was to sit back and BUY apps from Apple. No! They will want some for free. So they will use App store to get good games and apps etc, and installer for free stuff.

Psh, there is no "Chance". Installer will co-exist with Installer. Psh, do you think that people are just going to was to sit back and BUY apps from Apple. No! They will want some for free. So they will use App store to get good games and apps etc, and installer for free stuff.

Read what you just said. Its JILARIOUS. :)

Psh, there is no "Chance". Installer will co-exist with Installer. Psh, do you think that people are just going to was to sit back and BUY apps from Apple. No! They will want some for free. So they will use App store to get good games and apps etc, and installer for free stuff.

knowing apple, and their stupidity...

There will probably be an "appstore exploit" to put Installer in the AppStore xD.

Will Appstore be as popular as Installer?
It depends if Apple's restrictions are too much for people but, it has a good chance.

Will Appstore kill Installer?
Not likely, because there will always be certain people who like doing whatever they want and not having restrictions.

Will Installer overpower Appstore?
Not sure, but we'll find out.

App Store will have the apps and like ALL of the apps we have today, you get a demo. Installer will either host the cracks or a way to get around it - in my eyes. This way Installer will sstill live, and devs can do what they do.

Or, Installer will die, and KCNScrew Mobile will arise.

Psh, there is no "Chance". Installer will co-exist with App-Store. Psh, do you think that people are just going to was to sit back and BUY apps from Apple. No! They will want some for free. So they will use App store to get good games and apps etc, and installer for free stuff.

Edited it for you ;)

I want to throw gasoline on you and light you on Fire so I can add to the carbon dioxide on the planet to further global warming so the world will finally go bye bye.

Dev teams Will not Die.

Developers Will not Die.

Dev Teams will die. Example:
Dav Team died this week
TouchRev was hacked, another flaw of installer.

Sources will eventually become hacked or other and be taken down by somebody.

i doubt that^^ i hate your avatar!!

Dev Teams will die. Example:
Dav Team died this week
TouchRev was hacked, another flaw of installer.

Sources will eventually become hacked or other and be taken down by somebody.

DavTeam = Not A Real Dev Team. Just a bunch of Kiddies who liked pictures.

TouchRev = What does being hacked have to do with Dev teams dying? People/Companies get hacked all the time. They move on.

Installer is just a means of distribution (same as torrents). It has nothing to do with the death of Developers.

Ignorance for thee is Bliss :)

Dev Teams will die. Example:
Dav Team died this week
TouchRev was hacked, another flaw of installer.

Sources will eventually become hacked or other and be taken down by somebody.
This makes as much sense as me saying the Internet will die because flabigast.org was hacked, the creators of gogofudgenet.net have disbanded and the site wootnewt.com was taken down.

These thigns happen, and as the saying goes "As one door closes, another opens"

AppStore will be more popular than Installer. It comes with iPods, and a lot of people don't want to hack their iPods.

AppStore will be more popular than Installer. It comes with iPods, and a lot of people don't want to hack their iPods.
Are you joking?

AppStore will be more popular than Installer. It comes with iPods, and a lot of people don't want to hack their iPods.

have you actually READ half of the threads in this forum. almost everyone has a jailbroken iPod

i think installler will be used for stuff apple makes u pay for and things like emulators...although there will still be people running the old firmware

have you actually READ half of the threads in this forum. almost everyone has a jailbroken iPod
Why would anyone be here without a jailbroken iDevice?

Appstore will no doubt provide more polished apps because the devs will get PAID for them rather then the current system where most get by with Donations and then get flamed for wanting money for their hard work.

Appstore will limit the functionality of some apps (they will not be able to run in the background, so summerboard or mobilescrobbler will be impossible from appstore) so if you want to keep customization of your device you will need some kind of Jailbreak. Installer itself is an application that downloads software from the internet and installs it on your iPod, as long as there is a way to jailbreak 2.0 firmwares to allow SSH access or direct cable access with software like TotalCommander then you should be able to install third party apps (manually without installer) and and appstore apps at the same time.

The real question is will third party developers convert their free apps to run on 2.0 (which we know is very different from previous firmwares and existing apps will not work on) or will they just offer 2.0 versions in app store for which they get paid for. Most I think will go app store to get a reward for the effort they put in, third party will still remain because of the restrictions Apple will try to impose, but I expect most third party apps to be Shareware with limited free versions that will be unlocked on full payment for the working version.

holy shnizzles!!!

Dev teams dieing!? What is this the friggin end of the world??

DavTeam = Not A Real Dev Team. Just a bunch of Kiddies who liked pictures.

TouchRev = What does being hacked have to do with Dev teams dying? People/Companies get hacked all the time. They move on.

Installer is just a means of distribution (same as torrents). It has nothing to do with the death of Developers.

Ignorance for thee is Bliss :)
Very true.
Now we start playing "I will survive....." song. :D
Besides apple/appstore will never have NES or gpsphone for free.
I only want the appstore because of spore.
Yeah Davteam:rolleyes: I don't think I had heard of them other than this thread.

AppStore will be more popular than Installer. It comes with iPods, and a lot of people don't want to hack their iPods.
What are you on?

Guys, I was thinking if we ever find a way to jailbreak 2.0, can you see a new installer and the appstore running side by side?

Dev Teams to Die?

THAT YES IS TRUE..

YESTERDAY THE DAV AND TOUCHREV BROKE APART...

BUT ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS...

THEY ARE STILL WORKING HARD TO GET MORE ANFD MORE APPS OUT..

Guys, I was thinking if we ever find a way to jailbreak 2.0, can you see a new installer and the appstore running side by side?

Maybe. I think that better quality stuff will come out of the appstore, but it will be outrageously expensive. I dunno we will see. For now Installer FTW.

installer will be rewritten for 2.0 and most of the good apps will be to!
so this thread is stupid because when i change to 2.0 installer and appstore wont "kill" each other! i think they will become friends on my ipod and live happily ever after!

have you actually READ half of the threads in this forum. almost everyone has a jailbroken iPod

ZeRoNiXx you need to update your sig!:)

Maybe. I think that better quality stuff will come out of the appstore, but it will be outrageously expensive. I dunno we will see. For now Installer FTW.

I know someone who is collecting all the betas of 2.0 because
he had a really great idea that since the final will probably be locked up from jailbreaking for the time being, and everybody upgrading, that apple would essentially forget about the betas and that would allow major hacking/jailbreaking of the betas, resulting in people getting possible installer apps AND possible appstore apps.

Edit: Jesus!! That is a really long sentence

they will use App store to get good games and apps etc, and installer for free stuff.

Your logic would be flawless if it weren't for the fact that there will be plenty of free apps in the App Store.

Why would anyone be here without a jailbroken iDevice?

Not a clue. :D

ZeRoNiXx you need to update your sig!:)

thanks, I forgot about the rep change.

THAT YES IS TRUE..

YESTERDAY THE DAV AND TOUCHREV BROKE APART...

BUT ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS...

THEY ARE STILL WORKING HARD TO GET MORE ANFD MORE APPS OUT..

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.

DAVTEAM SUCKS ASS AND TOUCHREV ISN'T THAT GREAT EITHER.

I just plan to use both.

you wont be able to use both because i heard installer apps dont work in 2.00

you wont be able to use both because i heard installer apps dont work in 2.00

How far back did you go to dig this up? No matter if installer works, you can still ssh em in.

you wont be able to use both because i heard installer apps dont work in 2.00

What the fuck? Of course they don't, they have completely different frameworks.

Don't bump old fucking shit. This is a horrible thread that should have been dead forever.

you wont be able to use both because i heard installer apps dont work in 2.00

They will probably make some that do though.

What the fuck? Of course they don't, they have completely different frameworks.

Not that completely as you think, remember that iPoT/iPhone got unix-like system inside, theres stuff that will never change :p making 1.1.4 to 2.0 is not hard if you give developer an API changes list :> it's a matter of next version ^^'

Well, different enough frameworks for 1.1.4 apps to be unusable on 2.0 immediately.

im not a big fan of the app store and 2.0 considering I CANT USE THEMES. so im not sure if im going to switch or not

Well, different enough frameworks for 1.1.4 apps to be unusable on 2.0 immediately.

Ofcorse but it's not hard for developer to make it work on 2.0 :p